Older Student, Unprofessional Nurse During Clinical

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After many, many years (20!) of "thinking about it", I finally decided at age 45 to go back to school for nursing. My mom was a nurse for 50 years and even though I have two other bachelor's degrees, the timing was never right for the commitment of nursing school. Now that I have two kids in college and my other two kids are high school aged, I decided that this was my time.

I will graduate one year from now from one of the remaining hospital based diploma programs (Our area is actually FULL of them) and then I will immediately bridge to a BSN after just two semesters because of my other degrees. I am currently a 4.0 student.

Because I am in a hospital based program, we get A LOT of clinical experience (it's the reason I chose this type of program) and so far, my experiences have been great and have only solidified my desire to be a nurse. I am loving every second of it.

However, this week I experiences something I didn't expect. I half expected rude nurses or the dreaded "eat their young" nurses (which would be kind of tough on me because I'm older than many of them!) and I wasn't so worried about that because I've been dealing with mean girls since long before the movie.....but I didn't expect to hear nurses talking so badly about their PATIENTS!

I was sitting at the nurses desk looking up my patient's meds for my upcoming med pass. The nurse sitting next to me was kabitzing with the other nurse. These are well established nurses. And the one nurse starts complaining about the patient down the floor being a ******* **** (but she said the words) because he was complaining about his pain following a prostatectomy (this is a urology floor). Then she went on to say that the wife reported that the patient was a Marine and so she determined that he was the wussiest Marine she'd ever seen. For 5 minutes...full of swearing and making fun of this patient. The other nurse listened, and laughed. But did not join in the name calling. But she sure didn't condemn it either.

I. Was. Stunned. I said nothing because I am a student, but I did ask my clinical instructor about it because the family was walking around and could have SO EASILY heard this nurses comments.

So, my question to you from a very naive nursing student....Is this the norm? Will I need to toughen up? Should I have said something to to the nurse? Should I have told my instructor as I did? I thought it was waaaayyyy out of line, but then I started remembering that they tell us that they are teaching us to graduate nursing school and when you are on the floor it's a whole other ballgame.

If this is the ballgame, I'm not playing that game. I may not have any friends on the floor, but I'm not going to participate in that kind of talk about patients. I get venting or expressing frustration about a difficult client, but please tell me that is not the norm....

So what say you, oh wise nurses?

I understand how you feel OP. When I was in nursing school over 10 years ago I posted a thread very similar to yours. Back then I was under the user name "nursing student 19" ( just in case you're interested in the thread ) .

Anyway , I had the same responses from all nurses. Every nurse on this site ( specifically rubyv and green tea) berated me and callled me judgemental and they all said "come talk to me when you actually have some experience". Or they would say "walk a mile in my shoes".

Well guess what?! Ive been a nurse going on 10 years now, and have walked many miles in their shoes and I still feel the same way as I did 10 years ago. Many bedside nurses are rude, nasty, disrespectful, and mean to their patients, coworkers, and peers. I've seen it and witnessed it . It is not right and I have chosen not to participate in it. I have also reported some nurses in some cases.

My advice to you is to be yourself. Pick and choose your battles. To answer your question, yes this is the norm.

Specializes in Med-Tele; ED; ICU.

I'll go ahead and say it...

Perhaps what you witnessed was a seasoned urology nurse's response to an overly dramatic, whiny patient who was perhaps the wussiest Marine ever.

Was her response unprofessional? Yeah, sure... but perhaps understandable depending on the specifics of how her patient was actually behaving. Some patients have a dearth of coping skills. Ideally, we just smile to ourselves and do what we're able to support the patient but sometimes we just blow off steam away from the patients in order to better enable us to bite our tongues and model Flo's highest standard when we're with the patient. Doing so in such an unguarded fashion, though, was putting herself at risk for being in the middle of a huge stink.

Or, perhaps she's just a mean, nasty, gossiping person... who knows.

As one of the earliest posters said, "You do you" and let management do their job if they so choose.

I did not say anything BECAUSE I know that I am a guest on the unit. I go out of my way to make my being there be a benefit to the nurses. I've worked with some really great nurses from whom I have learned a lot. This nurse is always kind of crabby and rude. It didn't bother me whatsoever until I heard her discussing this patient like this when the family was 15 feet away in the room. If I heard a nurse talking about my husband that way, I'd be furious. And yes, I get that nurses get mad at patients. But from what I can gather, she was mad at him for being in pain after surgery.

I'm not judging anyone or thinking that I know what it's like to be a nurse. I do not. But I want to and I want to learn what the floor dynamics are so that I may more easily navigate them when I am a "real nurse". I know nurses have bad days and I am positive I will judge my patients as well from time to time because I am human. I just felt like this went a step too far. But maybe I'm wrong on that....

This story and some of the comments remind me of the statement "misery loves company." Yes sometimes nurses complain about patients or families...that is normal. I have been guilty of it to and I am not proud of that. However, it is not normal to speak with such disrespect. We have a huge issue with that in this country and certain behaviors should not be normalized. I think the best thing for you to do is to use this as an example of how you never want to be. During your clinical experience, you will witness nurses who you will strive to be like, and those you will never be like. Keep that in mind when you start working as an RN and you will do great things.

Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

I think it is great you recognized that this is unacceptable. Is it the norm? I would say no, not where I have worked. That isn't to say we have not done our share of grousing about certain patients, but definitely not out in the open and certainly not using derisive words like "wuss". Challenging, anxious, difficult, reactive, hostile....those are the kinds of describers I have found.

Keep working hard and recognize that what you hear and see is going to shape you as a nurse. You never have to be like that one.

I understand how you feel OP. When I was in nursing school over 10 years ago I posted a thread very similar to yours. Back then I was under the user name "nursing student 19" ( just in case you're interested in the thread ) .

Anyway , I had the same responses from all nurses. Every nurse on this site ( specifically rubyv and green tea) berated me and callled me judgemental and they all said "come talk to me when you actually have some experience". Or they would say "walk a mile in my shoes".

Well guess what?! Ive been a nurse going on 10 years now, and have walked many miles in their shoes and I still feel the same way as I did 10 years ago. Many bedside nurses are rude, nasty, disrespectful, and mean to their patients, coworkers, and peers. I've seen it and witnessed it . It is not right and I have chosen not to participate in it. I have also reported some nurses in some cases.

My advice to you is to be yourself. Pick and choose your battles. To answer your question, yes this is the norm.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this post ironic? Calling out "mean" nurses by being, you know, mean.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this post ironic? Calling out "mean" nurses by being, you know, mean.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who find your post unnecessary and irrelevant.

I had a similar experience recently. My biggest issue isn't what was said, it was where it was said. Right out in the open, easily heard by anyone in the vicinity. I understand that people need to vent - it's an important part of coping. Venting at the nurses station, right by the elevator and entrance to the unit just isn't okay, IMO and I doubt my feelings about that will change as I get experience. And yes, I did judge them (who doesn't judge other people behaving badly?) because there is a private break room not 20 feet from where they were saying horrible things about a hospice patients family. It was a closed door conversation and we should be addressing and discussing this sort of behavior.

Just a student though.

Specializes in Case manager, float pool, and more.

Using those kinds of words are unacceptable. Not at all the norm where I work. We may roll our eyes or vent a little saying something to the effect of the patient is difficult or something like that. But I have not heard anything worse. Maybe I have been lucky in that so far? Anyhow, once you graduate and as you continue your journey though nursing school, focus on you and your care and compassion for the persons you are caring for, in a way that makes you proud. Don't participate in those kinds of dialogs. Glad you seen that as not acceptable behaviors.

Of course, when it comes to venting you also need to take into account not just what is said, but where the conversation is taking place and who may be hearing this.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who find your post unnecessary and irrelevant.

Proving my point.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who finds this post ironic? Calling out "mean" nurses by being, you know, mean.

No, I do not find it ironic. Nor do I categorize her comments as "mean". I agree with most of the content. The only thing I personally would change is "most nurses", to "some nurses". That's my experience, maybe hers has been different.

Where at in the post do you think the poster is "being mean"?

No, I do not find it ironic. Nor do I categorize her comments as "mean". I agree with most of the content. The only thing I personally would change is "most nurses", to "some nurses". That's my experience, maybe hers has been different.

Specifically calling out individual posters is neither productive nor kind. Her post would have been just fine without it. So, yes, I find it mean.

Specializes in Pediatric Specialty RN.
In the end be the nurse you want to be and others to look up to. [/b] Hope this helps.

Yes, this did help. Thank you for your advice!

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