Nursing Admissions: A Frustrated Student's Manifesto

A personal narrative of my experiences with applying to nursing school. Admission into nursing school sometimes has less to do with grades than with other factors, such as politics. Nurses General Nursing Article

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  1. What should admissions into nursing school be based on?

    • Academic criteria only (I.e. GPA in core prerequisites)
    • TEAS score
    • Having prior clinical experience (I.e. CNA, EMT, Respiratory therapist, etc)
    • Other non-academic factors (I.e. ethnicity, languages spoken, volunteer hours, social justice, affirmative action, etc)

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When it comes to anything having to do with scholastic endeavors, I have always taken pleasure and excelled. As I would tell my professors when they asked me how I did so well, the realm of academia has always been my happy place; I have some modicum of control when it comes to bringing to fruition desired outcomes (I.e. studying and hard work lead to good grades). Applying to nursing school, however, felt a lot like an exercise in futility. Some might say that I should have taken the rejection letters as a humbling experience; I would have taken the rejection in stride and learned something from it, except for the fact that I have spoken with faculty members from various nursing schools and have witnessed practices that I do not consider ethical at all. Furthermore, speaking with peers, while anecdotal, revealed a lot as well. There is a dark underbelly to the admissions process and I would even hazard to say that applying to medical school would have been a more streamlined, less harrowing experience. What follows is my own personal experience with the admissions process and what has led me to believe that nursing school admissions is murky, clandestine bog of uncertainties and questionable practices.

Prior to applying to nursing school for the first time, I conferred with a member of the college's faculty (who was close friends with someone on the nursing admissions committee), asking if I should try out for sponsorship since my grades were so good. Having insider knowledge, he advised me not to because they preferred to grant sponsorship to hospital employees, applicants from disadvantaged backgrounds, or relatives/favorites. He also mentioned that sponsorship applicants who were rejected were not then put back into the general pool of applicants for nursing school; essentially, the coveted six sponsored seats were chosen and the remainder of sponsorship applications were thrown in the garbage. Nobody knew of this practice, including one of my good friends with a stellar GPA, who had repeatedly applied for sponsorship but had been rejected for the past three years (only when she threatened with a lawsuit was she suddenly accepted). When I finally applied for nursing school in 2015, I heeded the faculty member's advice and would not touch sponsorship with a ten foot pole, even though I had the grades for it.

The following Spring, I received my first rejection letter, which cited that there were far too many qualified applicants, blah, blah, blah. Fine. I was well aware of the fact that hardly anyone I knew was accepted the first time, so I decided to patiently bide my time until the next application period, enrolling in an EMT course in order to have clinical experience. I knew many friends and acquaintances who had gotten in on the second try.

The second time that I applied for nursing school in 2016, I decided to turn in my application in person. The administrators took my new application, but then proclaimed that they could not find my initial application. The dean of the nursing school came forward and asked me what my rejection letter had said and I informed her of its contents. She personally looked me up in their system and found my application under the category of applicants scoring below eligibility requirements (pre-requisite validation cut-score of 75% and/or composite score of 62% on the assessment test). Frowning, I informed her that that simply could not be possible since a counselor had calculated that my GPA placed me at 89%. This was no mistake or error in calculation, as the faculty knows me well (the dean herself knows that I have a bachelors degree from the same school that she attended for her MSN). The dean calculated my percentage herself on the spot and corrected the "error," assuring me that I would get in on the second try. Which brings me to where I am today: holding a letter informing me that I am an alternate so far down on the waiting list that I wasn't even invited to their in-take meeting (code for surprise drug test). Once again, as told by a member of the admissions committee over the phone today, I have to bide my time until the next application period.

Many nursing programs openly state that their programs are impacted and that waiting to get into a program can take as long as three years to finally be accepted. At least such programs are being honest and while I think it somewhat preposterous, I respect their candor. The two schools that I have had dealings with, however, have no such officially impacted statuses, instead opting to artificially impact their programs with, for lack of a better word, shady practices. For example, the Microbiology professor at one school informed me that the nursing department actually frowns on him awarding A's to students, encouraging him to give B's even if the students rightfully earned A's. Why are nursing schools trying to lower students' scores? To stem the flow of applicants? I was under the impression that there was a nursing shortage.

Another equally troubling practice is when nursing schools give deference to applicants based on factors not having to do anything with academics. From whether the applicant was a CNA first to what ethnicity box the applicant places a check mark in, there are numerous unofficial factors that influence admission into a program. I cannot tell you the number of times that I have congratulated friends who were accepted with C averages or had to go through remediation programs but also happened to speak a foreign language predominantly spoken in the state that I live in. While I am happy for my friends, I also think that politics have no place in nursing. If a nursing school wanted for students to be able to speak that foreign language, why wasn't it indicated on the application? I would have gladly learned the language instead of squandering three years of my life waiting to hear if I was accepted into the program.

As much as I love the field of healthcare and very much enjoyed patient interaction during clinicals, I do not love the hoops that nursing schools ask students to jump through. I'm not talking about the prerequisite courses (I actually really liked taking those). I'm talking about the unofficial profiling that admissions committees inevitably take part in when they consider applicants for admission into their program. One faculty member told me that I was not getting in because I already have a bachelors degree in another discipline, stating that I was already equipped to get a job and that the school's vetting process was a form of social justice. What does that have to do with anything? Medical and law schools accept people with diverse majors, so why is nursing school holding my possession of a prior degree against me? Yes, I do have a degree, but I also have $50,000 in student loans that accrue interest on a quarterly basis and my unemployed status only exacerbates the debt.

I don't mean to sound bitter or disgruntled, but I originally decided to pursue nursing for all the right reasons (I like helping humanity, I enjoy interacting with patients, and I like medicine). After being rejected multiple times from nursing school, however, I feel like all my original zeal has been wrung from me and I am now simply left as a husk of regret and frustration. I almost feel like my time would have been better spent pursuing another degree in healthcare and maybe that is something else to consider for the future. My final thought on this matter is that I think many qualified potential future nurses are being sieved out for the wrong reasons and doing so is a disservice to patients. As one patient told me at his bedside when I was completing clinical hours, he preferred a nurse who earned A's in her courses over a nurse with C's and D's. I couldn't agree more.

To the extent the observations you describe have any validity, you are only encountering the fact that nursing mirrors a certain aspect of life. Unfair. Most of us do not care to be shown just how unfair a system is treating us. Ignorance is bliss.

Instead of hand-ringing over this school and their policies, find another school to apply to and move on.

Specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology.

I'm sorry but why is this an article???

As it has already been pointed out, your experience at this one school seems fairly unusual and is not at all able to generalized to all schools. What kind of nursing school are you trying to apply to?

Also, you mentioning that a patient told you they would rather have a straight-A nursing student than a B or C-average one leads me to believe that you were probably griping to this patient about why you weren't in nursing school yet because you're so obviously meant for it. Patients don't really know what they're talking about in this area -- I hated it when I was a nursing assistant and patients thought I was the nurse when they would ask me questions I couldn't given any other answer to than "Let me go get your nurse for that." They don't know how things really work or what grades mean (they mean very little - I got straight As but there are new grads I work with that are probably much more knowledgeable than I am that got straight As at a much harder school than one I attended since not all schools are created equal). They don't know that the NP who they feel is an excellent provider didn't pass the NCLEX the first time whereas my bumbling, newly-minted RN butt who is at a painful level of newness passed the first time at 75 questions. The only thing that means anything is how willing you are to work hard (so hard) and do the best you can and make adjustments accordingly if things aren't working out for you. The thing that is the same between me and that NP is that we both work hard and waded through all the nonsense to get to where we are.

I applied to nursing school on a whim that I needed to get on with my life and I also enjoyed the science of the human body and did not want the responsibility of being a doctor. I had no idea how competitive nursing school was (I was aware there was no such thing as a shortage -- with how many students all these schools are churning out left and right, how could there reasonably be? A lack of an even distribution of the workforce? Yes, that's probably true but there is no general shortage. The shortage is on the floor as admin tries to make what little staff they're allowed to have do more with much less.) but I knew I had pretty decent pre-req grades and an excellent TEAS score. There wasn't all this other nonsense about "sponsorships" or any other weird business like "social justice" or whatever. I already had a BA and had no trouble getting in on the first go. It really just sounds like you need to move on and try another school.

What school have you continuously been applying to? I applied to the Uni of Calgary's accelerated program as a degree holder and got in first try. The application was solely based on your overall GPA from the pre reqs and most recent 10 courses transferable. Higher grades help just because so many people apply, but nothing more.

I think it would be wise for you to stop seeking reasons to degrade nursing programs as a whole when you've only attempted applying to one. You're just narrowing the options and creating a negative experience for yourself.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

I am confused...you are applying to nursing school yet you talk about patients at the bedside and graduating from a school attended by a faculty member.

I see by your other post you are in California. California is notoriously difficult for admissions to nursing programs with these CRAZY wait times. I looked up their GPA/Point calculations and right on there it stated economically disadvantaged/educationally disadvantaged that gives added overall points.

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It is not the only school who does this.....all schools have choices they make to obtain the best "diversity" of students. One of the schools my daughter applied to told me right up front that there would be students admitted with below GPA from my daughters so that they could develop the diverse population.

It stinks....when you are not admitted. I would consider other schools or another area to apply to another program

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To the extent the observations you describe have any validity, you are only encountering the fact that nursing mirrors a certain aspect of life. Unfair. Most of us do not care to be shown just how unfair a system is treating us. Ignorance is bliss.

The most honest reply I've seen in this thread so far.

Specializes in OR.

This is all politics and social justice? Welcome to the world!! As above posters have said, the public schools (community colleges, state schools) have a pretty transparent system by which people are chosen. Some require an in-person interview (mine did). Most nerve wracking "job" interview I've ever had. The private schools? They can do whatever they want.

A's are not the be all end all to admission to anything, including nursing. At the end of school when you take this big, nasty, mind****ing exam called NCLEX, if you pass you are an RN, if you fail you are not. In 11 years of nursing. I've NEVER had a patient query me on anything relating to grades or school, etc.

There's a joke that goes around, something like C=RN. As long as you pass your board exam and you are a safe, competent nurse, nobody gives a flying fluff what your grades were. Grades will come into play should you choose to go to graduate school (I don't think most RN to BSN programs care too much about ASN grades.)

I am like the OP. I love school and learning and obtaining those As, but like the boards, grades say that you can read a book and pass a test. I know colleagues that flunked their boards twice before finally passing that i would be honored to be cared for by. i also know people that passed on their first try that I would not let care for my worst enemy.

As far as having been a CNA, etc. prior to admission? That can and should be a plus. You already have much of the practical knowledge that the first semester of nursing school teaches you. I entered school after 3 years of working as a surgical tech. It made school quite a bit less stressful and i was grateful to have it.

Specializes in Emergency Medicine.

You gathered enough information after applying to ONE school for a "manifesto?" This "article" can't be serious- it's satire, right?

You seem to love the thesaurus- I have found that people who feel the need to use large, SAT type words, are typically trying to show everyone they are superior to them, and because they use big words, what they proclaim should be received as FACT. What you have states is not fact, it is speculation and opinion. If you want people to take you at face value you need to have a large compilation of factual data and experience- you don't have that in this "article."

Reading this, I don't believe that nursing is the career path for you. You are ready to cry injustice just because you weren't accepted to ONE nursing school- and you taut opinion and rumors as fact. That doesn't bode well for future issues you are definitely going to encounter- not just in nursing, but in life. The biggest issue I have with this"article" is that you are judging others without having the first clue as to their life, circumstances, or prior academic success- you just ASSUME that you are superior and deserve admission, which is obviously not the case. The nursing profession has no room for judgement, especially from someone who hasn't "walked the walk."

I sincerely doubt you will come back and reply to this post- if you do it will be to tell all of us who took the time to respond that we are wrong. Allnurses- if this is what passes for an article, I question where the bar is and requirements to submit.

Specializes in NICU, ICU, PICU, Academia.
You gathered enough information after applying to ONE school for a "manifesto?" This "article" can't be serious- it's satire, right?

You seem to love the thesaurus- I have found that people who feel the need to use large, SAT type words, are typically trying to show everyone they are superior to them, and because they use big words, what they proclaim should be received as FACT. What you have states is not fact, it is speculation and opinion. If you want people to take you at face value you need to have a large compilation of factual data and experience- you don't have that in this "article."

Reading this, I don't believe that nursing is the career path for you. You are ready to cry injustice just because you weren't accepted to ONE nursing school- and you taut opinion and rumors as fact. That doesn't bode well for future issues you are definitely going to encounter- not just in nursing, but in life. The biggest issue I have with this"article" is that you are judging others without having the first clue as to their life, circumstances, or prior academic success- you just ASSUME that you are superior and deserve admission, which is obviously not the case. The nursing profession has no room for judgement, especially from someone who hasn't "walked the walk."

I sincerely doubt you will come back and reply to this post- if you do it will be to tell all of us who took the time to respond that we are wrong. Allnurses- if this is what passes for an article, I question where the bar is and requirements to submit.

I want to 'like' this more than once.

One thing that instantly leapt into my mind...entitled. Welcome to trying to get into nursing school. It is my experience that academically challenged do not apply or get in. This means you're competing against other, very intelligent students for a coveted slot. I had pretty much all As the first time I applied...and was denied. I retook my TEAS to improve my score (even though the testing center said I scored very high the first time) improving it by 10%. I got in the second time. I passed NCLEX with ease. In my first job I've found one of these "I'm so smart" braggarts. I wouldn't let them nurse on my dog. They are dangerous. Frankly I'd rather have the B/C student (not that ANY patient ever asks that question) with strong clinical skills take care of my family than some book know it all who couldn't nurse their way out of a paper bag but won't see it. I highly recommend finding a different path.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

A "manifesto"? Drama much?

Specializes in Pediatric Hematology/Oncology.
A "manifesto"? Drama much?

Manifestos are also often associated with other problematic behaviors....ahem....such as those who write their manifestos prior to go onto do a mass shooting. However, those manifestos are generally pages and pages and pages of rambling nonsense. :woot: