Nurses Are Leaving the Bedside In Droves

We can all agree that in most areas of the nation, there is ample supply of nurses at the bedside, and in many areas, supply has well exceeded demand. Why they ask, are nurses always leaving the bedside? ANSWER: We didn't. The profession left us. Nurses General Nursing Article

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We can debate the why's, where's, how's, when's of the toxic culture in many hospitals and nursing homes.

More work, less support staff. More work, less pay. Too many patients. Higher acuity, more orders, fewer nurses being hired. My boss is dumb. My boss is toxic. Yes, its a BIG factor in a nurses decision to leave. We hate drama. We want to do our jobs in peace.

But those are just workplace semantics. There is drama in every workplace, wether in nursing, retail, law enforcement, food services, housekeeping, gaming, farming, hospitality, transportation, or basket weaving. Yes, its there now, and yes, it was there 50 years ago.

Truth be told, years ago, before corporate mergers/ takeovers/ acquisitions became as simple as buying pizza, we had hospitals and nursing homes. Today we have hospital systems and nursing home chains. With these corporate conglomerates at the helm, our profession was taken away. We lost our voices. We lost our sanity. We lost our zeal. Same thing happened to the banking system in the 1980s. Local stand alone banks were bought up, one by one, until we had 6 or 7 worldwide megabanks.

Corporate mentality stole the nursing profession and burned it at the stake. What used to be patient focus, is now billing focus. Today we do not have patients, we have inventory. Some generate substantial money, others are a drain. This is why, when and how "staffing to census" began rearing its ugly head. Back in the old days, there was no such thing as staffing to census. Nurses were hired on certain units, and that is where they stayed. Some days were super busy, others were not.

Staffing in hospitals and nursing homes today is soley based upon inventory (patients) and money (acuity). Not enough inventory in the burn unit? Float the nurse. Not enough inventory in L & D? Tell the nurse to stay home. Too many nurses on telemetry? Send 2 home, or let them work as techs on med-surg. And the list goes on.

What used to be paper documentation by exception, became EMR to generate maximum amounts of reimbursements from medicare, medicaid, and insurance. This is why we have box checkers (formerly known as nurses) spending 75% of their time at computer stations, and 25% of their time at the bedside. If you're lucky. So the next time your wife, husband, brother, sister, friend or companion starts mocking you for being a serial job hunter/ hopper, send them to this article.

Spread the word. Nurses didn't leave the bedside, the profession left us.

10 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

That is on top of the less than 10%-15% acceptance rate that they would face in getting accepted into medical school after completing those prerequisites. All so they could enter a profession where they work 100 hour weeks and many physicians decry "isn't nearly worth the effort". As a 50 year old RN as I am (or even as a 30 year old RN with a family) what rational, logical, person would really pursue that option when another option to independent practice exists?

Because a nurse is a nurse , and a doctor is a doctor. Please tell me what the $$$ differential is? The nurse (practitioner) makes no money. A nurse is a nurse is a nurse ....and $$$ mega bucks wasted on becoming ......a honey roasted nurse...which is STILL a nurse. That's all. Debt, and more and more debt. A circle to nowhere , but being a bedside nurse.

1 minute ago, nate411 said:

Because a nurse is a nurse , and a doctor is a doctor. Please tell me what the $$$ differential is? The nurse (practitioner) makes no money. A nurse is a nurse is a nurse ....and $$$ mega bucks wasted on becoming ......a honey roasted nurse...which is STILL a nurse. That's all. Debt, and more and more debt. A circle to nowhere , but being a bedside nurse.

Is it due to not getting enough hour's? I have seen some NPs working at two different places to get full-time hours.

Specializes in ICU, trauma, neuro.

My wife works from home and earns 180k per year as an NP. I have a friend who owns a clinic in Arizona earning around 400k. Both beat my 70k in the ICU and they don’t have to lift 400 pound patients by themselves.

10 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

My wife works from home and earns 180k per year as an NP. I have a friend who owns a clinic in Arizona earning around 400k. Both beat my 70k in the ICU and they don’t have to lift 400 pound patients by themselves.

I'm sorry, that cannot be true, as we just learned the following:

The nurse (practitioner) makes no money.

See? You must be imagining your wife's paycheck.

Specializes in ER.
On 5/24/2019 at 3:54 PM, panurse9999 said:

Nurses didn't leave the bedside, the profession left us.

Or, just like the doctors before us, we are surrendering the throne. . .

The raging dissatisfaction voiced here can be nebulous raging or a spark to kindle a revolution. The irony of the paradigm shift to paint-by-number medicine is that doctors are rapidly becoming obsolete while more and more reassessment and treatment is managed by bedside RN's. We have the Nation's lives in our hands. Never underestimate our power to force constructive changes. If we back down, we, and everyone we care about, will suffer in the the pathetic system that is evolving while a few wealthy business people bask in their extravagance.

I'm 25 years into ER staff nursing and mentored my current manager. I will fearlessly fight the lunacy at every level while I stay at the bedside, saving lives and doing the things that only we can do.

Specializes in Psych/Mental Health.
3 hours ago, HomeBound said:

"NP" is the answer to your assertion that since whomever it was challenging the idea that we are leaving in droves---take a look at the entry statistics for these programs. Where do you think these nurses are coming from then? High school?

Many come from other non-nursing industries. But neither you nor OP provided any reliable figures that define "leaving in droves" except limited observations from your own environments and experiences.

I have plenty of positive anecdotal experiences with NPs and, on the flip side, I have tons of bad experiences with MDs, but I won't talk about them because anecdotes are not evidence.

Specializes in NICU.
On 5/25/2019 at 8:26 AM, panurse9999 said:

The pay rates are exactly the same for an ADN, BSN, or MSN who are bedside nurses in a hospital.

This is incorrect,the difference is small but there is a higher payrate for each level.

Specializes in NICU.
1 hour ago, umbdude said:

Many come from other non-nursing industries. But neither you nor OP provided any reliable figures that define "leaving in droves" except limited observations from your own environments and experiences.

I have plenty of positive anecdotal experiences with NPs and, on the flip side, I have tons of bad experiences with MDs, but I

The data is there for you to read ,no reason for OP to belabor stats that everyone is already aware of.

Specializes in Mental health, substance abuse, geriatrics, PCU.
2 hours ago, umbdude said:

Many come from other non-nursing industries. But neither you nor OP provided any reliable figures that define "leaving in droves" except limited observations from your own environments and experiences.

I have plenty of positive anecdotal experiences with NPs and, on the flip side, I have tons of bad experiences with MDs, but I won't talk about them because anecdotes are not evidence.

"Nurses are leaving in droves and novice nurses are teaching more novice nurses. According to the RN Work Project, a study performed over 10 years to track career changes among new nurses, 17.5% of new nurses left their position within a YEAR of starting a new job, 33% within two years and 60% within eight years."

I came across this phrase in about 3-4 articles in a 5 minute google search on nursing retention. Nurses are leaving in droves and have been for quite a while. The sheer copious amount of online colleges that have began NP programs is staggering, the schools aren't doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, they're doing it because people are paying tidy sums of money. Once again, I can appreciate the need and desire for furthering one's education but that doesn't change the plight of needing nurses that have more than 1 year of experience providing care and mentoring new nurses.

https://nhcps.com/the-death-of-bedside-nursing/

https://minoritynurse.com/why-good-nurses-leave-the-profession/

https://journals.lww.com/ajnonline/Fulltext/2018/02000/Nurses_at_the_Bedside_Who_Will_Be_Left_to_Care_.1.aspx

Specializes in ED, ICU, Prehospital.
2 hours ago, umbdude said:

Many come from other non-nursing industries. But neither you nor OP provided any reliable figures that define "leaving in droves" except limited observations from your own environments and experiences.

I have plenty of positive anecdotal experiences with NPs and, on the flip side, I have tons of bad experiences with MDs, but I won't talk about them because anecdotes are not evidence.

Quick google search. I can porifice statistics at each...acceptance rate, number of graduates, etc....but I think my point about "where" the nurses ---because you have to have a nursing degree in order to become a nurse practitioner...unless I have been mistaken? Can I become an NP with my Bachelor's in English Literature?

https://npprogramsearch.aanp.org/Search/Results

The programs must be fairly successful---else they wouldn't be open. The pool of applicants....are......nurses. From.......bedside. Because.......one of the requirements for most of them is........critical care experience.

So............can you help me with the leap here? That even if I entered nursing school with a BS in some other field...I still have to complete nursing courses.

Quick Facts: Nurse Anesthetists, Nurse Midwives, and Nurse Practitioners

2018 Median Pay$113,930 per year

$54.78 per hour

Typical Entry-Level Education Master’s degree

Work Experience in a Related Occupation None

On-the-job Training None

Number of Jobs, 2016 203,800

Job Outlook, 2016-2631% (Much faster than average)

Employment Change, 2016-2664,200

*Quick facts chart is from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics website.

Myoglobin---your reference to your wife and your "cousin" or your friend or whomever---please post where they work, what their education level is, their years of nursing experience as well as the part of the country in which they practice. Cherry picking information that is....experiential....doesn't make the cut around here, I'm told.

Taking the number of accredited programs from the AANP's own site and that information is already 2 years old---doesn't include the online only programs that have popped up on every street corner, nor does it include the "non accredited" programs---how many do you think these programs churn out in a year?

How about looking on the NP forum here and finding out just how much NPs ACTUALLY are being offered with 1 year of nursing experience under their belts? Even 10 years?

When facts elicit knee jerk negative reactions---then that means to me that it hits a little too close to home. NPs don't make "bank" anymore. The ones that I've met in university hospital settings are barely competent because they googled "what is the fastest way to become an NP".

I thought at one time that Direct Care NP was the way to go. Not so much anymore, after seeing how these schools "educate" the students.

And about that person who says...."And it would take a nurse years to go back and do their requisites for medical school" when Nat recommended you just go to med school?

Uh....he meant GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL and SKIP nursing school.

Nurses seem to have this thing in their heads that they can compete in any way with 4 years of intensive medical training because they have their 2 year ADN, do an online BSN and then jump to an online only NP with a couple of years in a po dunk ICU. Uh....no.

I have two physican relatives. One is a Radiologist and another a Surgeon. Let's put some of these NPs up against these guys...just with some standardized testing.

It made me chuckle that someone said..."yeah...so doctors may have the upper hand in pathophysiology, chemistry, medicine, hands on experience"....but an NP is more open to dietary choices like keto. I can see a Nutritionist for that. I go to a physician to diagnose and treat my illness, based on their experience and education in oh....pathophysiology, chemistry, medicine and their hands on experience.

My Uncle's experience post grad 4 years---at University of Rochester in Molecular Genetics...4 years of medical school. ...1 year as an Intern...4 years as a specialty resident in radiology and 2 years as a fellow. My surgeon relative has 4 additional years...as surgeons have 7 years of residency.

And......an NP somehow stacks up?

They have their place---but the conversation here is that bedside nurses are being brainwashed into believing that they can compete---and that they will get paid in a similar fashion.

If this is about money only---then I can say that I do believe that escorts can "work from home" and make quite a bundle. That doesn't mean that I want to spend my life pursuing that dangerous line of work.

Hospitals are pushing this agenda in conjunction with "accrediting" agencies like the AACN and ACEN, along with schools. Administration likes it because the more you flood the market with NPs, the less qualified and experienced physicians need to be hired and paid for.

This is what OP is talking about....not how much money you can make being a "stay at home NP". Which...to me....actually sounds like a school recruiter making a pitch. Show me the money and the proof that the average nurse will be making "$170k-400k" by sitting at home in their pj's...and I'll quit my job right now and take out a $120K loan for NP school.

1 hour ago, HomeBound said:

This is what OP is talking about....not how much money you can make being a "stay at home NP". Which...to me....actually sounds like a school recruiter making a pitch. Show me the money and the proof that the average nurse will be making "$170k-400k" by sitting at home in their pj's...and I'll quit my job right now and take out a $120K loan for NP school.

Agree. Its this type of harmful, repetitive false propaganda, with all the rest that is all over the internet ...click bait inflated pay rates, click bait "bonus" BS..that is giving people a completely inacurrate set of facts and figures that are being used by millions of people to make career choices ...especially second career people, and ones who have to take loans to get the credentials.

I was talking to an MD recently who was talking about hospital politics , and how not all docs on staff are lucky enough to be the "chosen one's" to have NPs to assist with their workload. ...and what you actually have to do, before a hospital will agree to reward the doc with an NP...let that sink in. Its all about cost and profit ...so its no wonder that the "system" is also now flooding the market with NPs, the same way the market was flooded with RNs. ..and Homebound is right. I know NPs who are still working as bedside RNs because they can't find jobs as NPs.

Specializes in Cardiology.

I think it goes without saying that you can have positive and negative experiences with both NPs and MDs. Some NPs forgot where they came from and have treated bedside RNs poorly.

And no, a NP will never be the same as a MD.