Now that the Covid 19 vaccine is just around the corner... Will it be mandatory?

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Are we going to be able to refuse it, or will it be mandatory? 

I have had severe reactions to the influenza vaccine and eventually I declined it. 

Do we need to have a severe reaction in order for us to decline any further covid 19 vaccines? Or we could still opt out? 

What do you guys think? 

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23 minutes ago, macawake said:

I don’t think that they deliberately infected people in the Tuskegee experiment? I think the study participants were already sick and the people in charge of the study decided to do a prospective study of what happens when you don’t do a damm thing to try to treat people with a serious infection. Completely unethical and a horrible thing to do to human beings in my opinion.

But I think the good doctors went to Central America to deliberately infect people who weren’t already sick. They went from passively observing to actively infecting. Horrific.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiments

 

I genuinely don’t see how vaccines compare. Vaccines are given to try to decrease morbidity and mortality. I personally don’t think they should be mandated, but instead strongly encouraged through information and education about the benefits of vaccine and actively fighting the anti-vaxx disinformation that’s spreading like a fungus. But that’s just my ?0.02

I want to beg and plead with you not to share that opinion with anyone else. That is a slap in the face to those and the family members involved. That is far from factual information. This just further causes distrust for health care from everyone, not just minorities.

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1 hour ago, CardiTeleRN said:

I want to beg and plead with you not to share that opinion with anyone else. That is a slap in the face to those and the family members involved. That is far from factual information. This just further causes distrust for health care from everyone, not just minorities.

What isn't factual? Both of the case studies that macawake was discussing with me are indeed factual, and referenced as such. Yes, it's a slap in the face to participants, but not by anyone on this board. By our wonderful government that will screw over whomever they wish, whenever it meets their needs, with absolutely no apology. And by those in the direct care role who stand by and knowingly allow it to happen

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5 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

What isn't factual? Both of the case studies that macawake was discussing with me are indeed factual, and referenced as such. Yes, it's a slap in the face to participants, but not by anyone on this board, but by our wonderful government that will screw over whoever they wish, whenever it meets their needs, with absolutely no apology

Thank you! I try very hard to not ever spread disinformation. I’m not claiming to be perfect but I do try to research the things I post as well I can beforehand. 
 

15 minutes ago, CardiTeleRN said:

I want to beg and plead with you not to share that opinion with anyone else. That is a slap in the face to those and the family members involved. That is far from factual information. This just further causes distrust for health care from everyone, not just minorities.

I’m not sure which part of my post was inaccurate? You mentioned an opinion but I’m not clear on what you mean. I clearly stated that I find both of the experiments deeply unethical and my opinion on vaccines is my opinion. Based on the available evidence I find vaccines a beneficial part of public health/preventative care. 

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15 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

The vaccine injury compensation program pays out more every year than the previous year. And that's without allowing Autism cases at all. Look, the science of some vaccines is solid and most vaccines I have no problem with. But when the CDC/WHO/NIH said for years that they recommend only those 65 years and above receive the influenza vaccine, that has somehow turned into recommending it for all humans older than 6 months? Including during pregnancy? You can't point out any period of time in the U.S. that influenza hospitalizations and deaths was totally uncontrollable to the point that we all need to vaccinate against it. Oh yeah, one more thing, what is the vaccine that has paid out the most in compensation for injury in the U.S. since the late 1980s? Influenza by far, and it has only been available for half the time that many others have been. 

Autism?  Seriously?  You do realize that the study that showed a link between vaccination and autism was pure junk science.  The study cost the doctor who ran the study and several scientists their careers.  They cooked the numbers and were caught, but not before the study got into the press and the rumor mill.  What we need is evidence and science, not conspiracy theories.  Does the autism thing come with a tin foil hat?  I could use more tin foil.

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9 minutes ago, Robmoo said:

Autism?  Seriously?  You do realize that the study that showed a link between vaccination and autism was pure junk science.  The study cost the doctor who ran the study and several scientists their careers.  They cooked the numbers and were caught, but not before the study got into the press and the rumor mill.  What we need is evidence and science, not conspiracy theories.  Does the autism thing come with a tin foil hat?  I could use more tin foil.

You sound like a good little liberal. 1 in 36 kids now have some form of autism in this country. There is evidence aluminum may be a factor. I bet you have taken in alot of aluminum . Anyone who calls somebody a conspiracy theorist because they are skeptical in nature, is not someone that is able to think for themselves. So, go watch CNN or something.

 

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12 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

You sound like a good little liberal. 1 in 36 kids now have some form of autism in this country. There is evidence aluminum may be a factor. I bet you have taken in alot of aluminum . Anyone who calls somebody a conspiracy theorist because they are skeptical in nature, is not someone that is able to think for themselves. So, go watch CNN or something.

 

Actually, Libertarian.  Follow the evidence.  The Autism Science Foundation page has links to many peer reviewed articles regarding autism and vaccination. 

Aluminum and autism?  We are exposed to aluminum in food packaging and cook ware and the keloids in the brains of people with Alzheimer's contain aluminum.  I wonder if anyone has done a study.

https://www.CDC.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/

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My employer has also stated that the vaccine will be optional, however they are getting it in the next few weeks if we want it. I am on the fence about receiving it. I will probably get it because I live with my elderly inlaws and young children, however I am nervous about the long term effects.

 

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44 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

1 in 36 kids now have some form of autism in this country.

 

Drowning deaths are more common in the Summer.

People eat more ice cream in the Summer months.

Did I just prove that eating ice cream causes drowning accidents??


 

 

Why are you bringing politics into this and trying to stick labels on people?  Is it your opinion that only liberals believe in the scientific method and conservatives prefer anecdotes, disinformation and poor logic? Because that’s the impression you give.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I can see where someone could deduce parallels to the Tuskegee experiment. Some of the recipients were injected with syphilis (during the experiment), some already had it, some had latent. These men were told that would receive free healthcare from the government for participating. Of course, they weren't told what was being done. We know how that turned out. There was also a "wonderful, gifted" Dr in the German death camps, who did "harmless" experiments, all in the name of good research. While I don't go all the way there in my own personal comparison, I can see how and why some do. It's not a far reach when it's considered what every aspect of government has been accused of doing to our own people, at one time or another, and only express sorrow/regret when caught

The fact you had to explain this is part of the problem in these gung ho vax people. They intentionally fail to understand and dismiss valid concerns as if it's a strawman theory.

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2 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

You sound like a good little liberal. 1 in 36 kids now have some form of autism in this country. There is evidence aluminum may be a factor. I bet you have taken in alot of aluminum . Anyone who calls somebody a conspiracy theorist because they are skeptical in nature, is not someone that is able to think for themselves. So, go watch CNN or something.

 

LOL

But is there evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? 

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31 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

The fact you had to explain this is part of the problem in these gung ho vax people. They intentionally fail to understand and dismiss valid concerns as if it's a strawman theory.

We all have different experiences and they in all likelihood, at least in part, shape our opinions and perception. But isn’t it rather arrogant to say that others whom you don’t agree with, are intentionally failing to understand? How on earth would you know what goes on in someone else’s ??

I’m still having a hard time believing that when faced with the choice of being put in a Nazi death camp or taking a Covid-19 vaccin, that many people would struggle for long with that decision. So I don’t really see the equivalence. 

I understand the desire to find out more about a vaccine one is considering taking, than just the initial, incomplete data released by a pharmaceutical company. I think that’s a good idea. But I don’t understand basing decisions regarding ones own health and the health of those around us on emotional rationales and fears. I think this is a decision that is best based on a rational factual basis. 

I’ve noticed that several posters as well as people I meet in real life, worry about a potential Covid-19 vaccine simply based on the fact that there are several promising candidates after less than a year. That is much faster than the norm and many seem to believe that equals corners being cut.

Personally I see other possible reasons for the speedy process. One is that never in my lifetime has the collective world been so highly motivated to find a vaccine. This pandemic has hit most parts of the globe really hard. Another reason is that the pharmaceutical companies have had their financial risk significantly decreased. Many wealthy countries have bought and paid for millions of doses in advance, before there even existed a product. Before anyone knew if they would work. That likely made it more appealing for the pharmaceutical companies to forge ahead when they didn’t have to worry about investing R&D money in a product that could end up being a ”dud”. 
 

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3226

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-vaccine-nationalism-covid-19-us-germany-gavi/a-54634662

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4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

But is there evidence that autism is caused by vaccines? 

About the same amount as —>
 

? + ??‍♀️ ??‍♂️ = ?

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