Now that the Covid 19 vaccine is just around the corner... Will it be mandatory?

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Are we going to be able to refuse it, or will it be mandatory? 

I have had severe reactions to the influenza vaccine and eventually I declined it. 

Do we need to have a severe reaction in order for us to decline any further covid 19 vaccines? Or we could still opt out? 

What do you guys think? 

29 minutes ago, Orca said:

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone who pops in. I wouldn't use it as a sole source on anything - and I write for them. Not to say that it has no value, but unless there are reputable source citations attached, I wouldn't trust it 100%. 

You’re correct and it’s the reason why I always look at the references at the end and follow the links and dig a little deeper when/if I feel it’s necessary. 

If necessary I will also look at the tab ”view history” to see of there’s been a lot of editing/there appears to be any controversy. 

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8 minutes ago, macawake said:

You’re correct and it’s the reason why I always look at the references at the end and follow the links and dig a little deeper when/if I feel it’s necessary. 

If necessary I will also look at the tab ”view history” to see of there’s been a lot of editing/there appears to be any controversy. 

Some pages have to be shut down from time to time, especially if it is a controversial topic or person, because of all of the rapid-fire editing, most of it unverified or from clearly biased sources. Glad that I don't oversee the Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump pages.

I use it mainly to provoke thought. I do a lot of editing for them, mainly grammar and spelling rather than content, although I have written some original content pages.

You go to more effort than most people do in verifying what they read on Wikipedia.

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On 11/28/2020 at 6:55 PM, blondenurse12 said:

Pfizer's safety data extends only a few months. The had 40,000 participants which I suppose seems like a decent number but when the population of the world is approaching 8 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. 

Admittedly I’m not a biostatistician but I don’t think that a vaccine trial with 40,000 participants is statistically underpowered. It’s actually a rather large trial and you shouldn’t be looking at the size of a trial as a percentage of the world’s population. You can effectively reduce Type I errors (the probability of rejecting the null hypothesis when it’s true) and Type II errors (the probability of failing to reject the null hypothesis when it’s false) with just a teeny-tiny percentage of the 8 billion. 

When it comes to binary data as side effects you get a lot of information when looking at the number of events in the treatment and control arms.

That said, I too want to see the complete study data before I commit. But unless I see anything that concerns me I expect I’ll be getting the vaccine when it becomes available/approved.
 

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I'm a vaccine advocate and I will seek out this vaccine when it finally becomes available to me.  None of that makes me feel more comfortable with the reality that Donald Trump has clearly interfered in the official messaging of all government agencies involved in the covid response.  What other ability to corrupt our public health processes does he possess? I trust the science but I don't trust this specific administration at all. 

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6 hours ago, Orca said:

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone who pops in. I wouldn't use it as a sole source on anything - and I write for them. Not to say that it has no value, but unless there are reputable source citations attached, I wouldn't trust it 100%. 

Good point, but feel like that piece of info would have been in there, as the more sensational, the better. 

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On 12/2/2020 at 1:07 PM, Robmoo said:

Actually, Libertarian.  Follow the evidence.  The Autism Science Foundation page has links to many peer reviewed articles regarding autism and vaccination. 

Aluminum and autism?  We are exposed to aluminum in food packaging and cook ware and the keloids in the brains of people with Alzheimer's contain aluminum.  I wonder if anyone has done a study.

https://www.CDC.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/

The autism science foundation does not even do research, let alone, research on how autism and vaccines are linked. The board members of this foundation have written articles, op-ED's describing how "antivaxxers are threatening our way of life". Doesn't sound like the kind of folks that are really interested to find out if there is a connection between vaccines and autism. Do you understand? IMO, choosing topics that the scientific elites aren't interested in you researching will get you nowhere in your career and will probably be shut down on many avenues. The same reason why you don't hear about any new studies related to the harm of flouride in drinking water. 

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58 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

IMO, choosing topics that the scientific elites aren't interested in you researching will get you nowhere in your career and will probably be shut down on many avenues. 

But....it’s been researched. Extensively.

This meta analysis includes 10 studies and over a million children: 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367

At some point it stops being useful to investigate a hypothesis that has consistently not been supported by research. 

 

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2 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

The autism science foundation does not even do research, let alone, research on how autism and vaccines are linked. The board members of this foundation have written articles, op-ED's describing how "antivaxxers are threatening our way of life". Doesn't sound like the kind of folks that are really interested to find out if there is a connection between vaccines and autism. Do you understand? IMO, choosing topics that the scientific elites aren't interested in you researching will get you nowhere in your career and will probably be shut down on many avenues. The same reason why you don't hear about any new studies related to the harm of flouride in drinking water. 

"The autism science foundation does not even do research, let alone, research on how autism and vaccines are linked." 

What argument are you having? Who made this claim that you are now boldly disputing? How shocking the notion that widespread vaccine refusal could threaten our way of life, eh? Why wouldn't the autism science foundation want to discover the cause of ASD if they could? Vague suspicion of deep state agendas is not really compelling. 

I would suggest that if you are interested in more contemporary thinking on the topic of flouride you could seek some out before assuming there's nothing available. 

Harvard Public Health

Association Between Maternal Fluoride Exposure During Pregnancy and IQ Scores in Offspring in Canada

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I’m so thrilled to find this thread.

I’m not against vaccines,  I’m not against the Covid19 vaccine.  
However, I won’t take any vaccine that hasn’t been in the general public for five years,  I figure by that time we’ll have a better picture of vaccine adverse reactions, and also a better picture of Covid19.

What I find extremely alarming, is a growing narrative that Good, Moral, Heroes will take the vaccine, and Evil, Selfish, Villians will decline to take it, just for spite.

This might actually be my career ending event.

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5 minutes ago, Daisy Joyce said:

I’m so thrilled to find this thread.

I’m not against vaccines,  I’m not against the Covid19 vaccine.  
However, I won’t take any vaccine that hasn’t been in the general public for five years,  I figure by that time we’ll have a better picture of vaccine adverse reactions, and also a better picture of Covid19.

What I find extremely alarming, is a growing narrative that Good, Moral, Heroes will take the vaccine, and Evil, Selfish, Villians will decline to take it, just for spite.

This might actually be my career ending event.

Bold mine.

That's an interesting narrative. I think I'm probably spared exposure to that narrative because I don't watch cable television. Do you think that's possible?

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I’m seeing gain traction in social media and online forums.

In a discussion in another forum, I actually had somebody ask me if it was fair for me to let other people take the vaccine, and wait and see if they had adverse effects before deciding to take it.

Then went on to say that anybody who didn’t take the vaccine shouldn’t be surprised to be denied being able to shop or travel or work.

I mean, okay, it’s an online forum, but still...

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Bold mine.

That's an interesting narrative. I think I'm probably spared exposure to that narrative because I don't watch cable television. Do you think that's possible?

I don't own a TV, and still hear that ignorance in person and have actually seen some on here with that line of thought. It's no good and solves nothing

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