Some California doctors are accused of handing out and/or selling mask exemptions for back-to-school students.
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"A physician who grants a mask or other exemption without conducting an appropriate prior exam and without a finding of a legitimate medical reason supporting such an exemption within the standard of care may be subjecting their license to disciplinary action ... "
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4 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:
Anxiety, Depression, Claustrophobia? Try being a child and wearing a mask all day.
How many of those patients you are seeing with Covid have been masked? Unmasked? How many are alive?
5 year old children are perfectly capable of wearing a face mask all day when in classrooms. This is demonstrated in school districts that are requiring masks everywhere. It seems to be grown adults who have personal, philosophical issues with following public health guidance that can't seem to mask or social distance.
Anxiety, Depression, Claustrophobia? Try being a child and wearing a mask all day.
How many of those patients you are seeing with Covid have been masked? Unmasked? How many are alive?
Okay. I do understand that. But then maybe those children should be considered to have a pre-existing condition which actually puts them at more risk of contracting Covid and spreading it to others, who spread it to others contributing to the exponential growth of this pandemic?
Apologies, but I have questions about specifically WHY you are against children masking? Do you believe it’s harmful to them? Isn’t the greater good more important? Since you don’t appear to be concerned about children becoming seriously ill with the virus, can you not understand the importance of controlling the spread and ALL the implications that holds?
Sure. I'm bothered. Kids are some of the toughest creatures on earth.
And they are precious to me. <-Another reason I don't want to see them masked if they don't need to be.
If they need masking or not is a matter of opinion (and perhaps even stats, though it's been awhile since I went down that road). Me and a lot of others think not.
Georgia, by itself records only 12 deaths under age 18.
On 8/28/2021 at 7:28 AM, GordonGekko said:
99.9%+ survival rate for kids. Your analogies are absurd. What’s next? Making the kids who choose to be overweight run on a treadmill all day?
That seems like too many dead kids to me, so what's the threshold, how many dead kids does it take to take measures to reduce how many of them die?
Try being a child and going to school one day then not for the next 10 days then for 3 days then not again for 10 days then maybe a week or two then not for 10 days. Trust me, jacking up their routine is far worse than wearing a mask. They’re doing it better than so- called adults.
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2 hours ago, BeenThere2012 said:
Okay. I do understand that. But then maybe those children should be considered to have a pre-existing condition which actually puts them at more risk of contracting Covid and spreading it to others, who spread it to others contributing to the exponential growth of this pandemic?
Apologies, but I have questions about specifically WHY you are against children masking? Do you believe it’s harmful to them? Isn’t the greater good more important? Since you don’t appear to be concerned about children becoming seriously ill with the virus, can you not understand the importance of controlling the spread and ALL the implications that holds?
I am not against children masking. Give them the choice. This isn’t a dictatorship regardless of what the direction the Alt-Left is pushing us towards
I have had several children come to my psych office having worsening anxiety/depression related to masking up. Mental health needs to be taken into account as well.
2 hours ago, MunoRN said:
That seems like too many dead kids to me, so what's the threshold, how many dead kids does it take to take measures to reduce how many of them die?
Obviously 180ish or so is the threshold because you weren’t pushing this stuff during Influenza season a few years ago
Try being a child and learning on a computer all day. Try being a child and not getting to play with friends. Try being a child and struggling to read with a teacher you only see through a screen. Try being a teacher and troubleshooting tech issues with a five-year-old while retaining control of the rest of the class.
My child is six. She is in first grade. She was in kindergarten last year. She has literally never been in school without a mask. It is 100% a non-issue for her. She wears masks, her classmates wear masks, her teachers wear masks. For her it's no different from wearing shoes.
Last year my daughter was in school in person almost the entire year. Her class was sent home to quarantine (online learning) for a week when an aide tested + in the fall, and again in the Spring when a classmate tested +. Guess how many others were infected each time? Zero. She also didn't get the flu or even a cold. We were all the healthiest we've ever been because everyone kept their germs to themselves. Masks work.
From what I can tell, the only people who are really bothered by masks are adults who then project their distaste for masks onto kids. As a parent with three actual mask-wearing kids, I can honestly say that wearing masks is not the problem some adults are trying to make it.
Obviously 180ish or so is the threshold because you weren’t pushing this stuff during Influenza season a few years ago
We're currently approaching 500, and that's with mitigation measures in place. I would disagree that amount is not only tolerable, but that it leaves room to relax mitigation measures.
I don't disagree though that this has taught us how we should deal with high rates of community spread of influenza in the future, which is that we should also implement masking measures in those situations.
Try being a child and learning on a computer all day. Try being a child and not getting to play with friends. Try being a child and struggling to read with a teacher you only see through a screen. Try being a teacher and troubleshooting tech issues with a five-year-old while retaining control of the rest of the class.
Thought I would share this with everyone, as it pertains to schools and ongoing problems with the pandemic:
Less than a week after Liberty University announced and enacted a temporary campus-wide quarantine amid rising infections, the school is reporting a sharp surge in positive COVID-19 cases and offering free vaccinations.
The private evangelical Christian university in Lynchburg, Virginia last week ordered a campus-wide quarantine from Aug. 30 to Sept. 10. Prior to the fall semester beginning on Aug. 24, the school did not have a mask or vaccine mandate in place.
Liberty's COVID-19 dashboard on August 25 reported 159 active COVID-19 cases, out of which 124 were students. On September 1, the number of total active cases reported within the last 10 days spiked to 488, out of which 430 were students.
The university has around 15,000 students and 5,000 faculty or staff on campus. More than 1,500 people are currently in quarantine, 1,056 of which are on-campus students. A Liberty University official told WFXR News that the quarantine annex at in the college "has reached maximum capacity."
When asked for comment, university spokesperson Scott Lamb told Yahoo Finance that it was unsurprising to see cases shoot up given that as of "two weeks ago, these people were [not] in Lynchburg at all" and that now "they are here, and hence, the [numbers] have gone up."
Lamb added that the school's quarantine, a temporary pivot to remote learning, the new offering of free vaccinations, and the suspension of all large indoor gatherings have been enacted to "slow the spread of the virus and maintain a safe and healthy campus environment while the institution continues to act responsibly as a community partner in battling the pandemic."
The school sent an email to students informing them that it will be hosting a "first dose clinic" on September 3, according to an email obtained by Yahoo Finance.
One former student said that she was concerned about the outbreak spilling into the surrounding areas.
"I know people that work in health care here in Lynchburg that are just overwhelmed by how scary it is, and they said it's worse than it was last year," Lynchburg resident Tobi Walsh, a 2015 Liberty University graduate and former employee of the school who lives less than two miles from campus, told Yahoo Finance.
"With everybody back it's kind of scary because you go like to Target and you see all these students that are Liberty students because they're wearing, their [residence hall] shirts ... it's obvious that they're on-campus students," said Walsh, who noted that the area is already experiencing a rise of COVID-19 hospitalizations. "And they're not wearing masks, they're not social distancing, they're acting like everything is normal, and it's scary."
Earlier this week, a current Liberty University student discussed what it felt like on campus.
"To me, it's just been a very unsafe environment," Robert Locklear, a 21-year-old journalism student at Liberty, told Yahoo Finance. "We're seeing thousands of students from literally all over the country gathered together with zero restrictions ... you're on the bus with 50 other people packed together, you're in the cafeteria with hundreds of other people, you're passing in the hallways and coming in very close contact with no one wearing masks."
Walsh noted that the news of the outbreak was particularly "frustrating" given that the school is gearing up to celebrate its 50th anniversary.
"I want to be excited, and celebrate my school and these friendships that I made," she said. "But when I see stuff like this and that these students don't care, it's really hard to be proud of where you came from."
I am not against children masking. Give them the choice. This isn’t a dictatorship regardless of what the direction the Alt-Left is pushing us towards
I have had several children come to my psych office having worsening anxiety/depression related to masking up. Mental health needs to be taken into account as well.
Obviously 180ish or so is the threshold because you weren’t pushing this stuff during Influenza season a few years ago
I wonder if those you see in your practice are having anxiety and depression from the whole situation as opposed to simply mask requirements? Most adolescents, even older ones do not have the self awareness to truly understand the underlying causes of their anxiety or depression. Not to mention younger children. They mostly just know how they feel in the moment or what they find themselves focusing upon. Also, I do not have the ratios/statistics for what you are seeing but I venture to say they are far in the minority vs a substantial percentage of school aged children. And for those reasons, I am opposed to no mask requirements to accommodate the minority who “choose” not to wear them. As I mentioned earlier, the greater good weighs out for me, including the relatively few children who become seriously ill (I prefer not even one) or those they may infect.
My D is engaged to a man with a young toddler. He was 2 when Covid got started for real here and is now 3.5 years old. I thought for sure he would buck the mask-how could he not? He couldn't possibly understand why he was being told to put something over his face, so I figured they would have a real battle with it.
Nope! When they get out the mask, he tilts his cute little face upwards and accepts it. He has all kinds of cute ones-superheroes, cartoon characters, etc.
D says it's just totally normal to him, especially since he sees them out and about and all of the adults close to him put them on when they go out too.It surprised me so much, but in retrospect it shouldn't have. I'm sure there may be some kids who struggle, but for the most part, I'm thinking the adults are the ones with the greater problems, and I'm not talking about the ones with anxiety or claustrophobia.
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Anxiety, Depression, Claustrophobia? Try being a child and wearing a mask all day.
How many of those patients you are seeing with Covid have been masked? Unmasked? How many are alive?