Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

allnurses Guide · Sep 1, 2021

17 hours ago, jive turkey said:

I disagree.

Obesity can certainly be contagious.

If any of you read that and are gearing up a sarcastic rebuttal, look up the definitions for contagious first.

What I see people do is try to dismiss the challenges other chronic illnesses present to society and the health care system as it relates to COVID by saying "they're not "contagious".

There have been arguments that obesity is socially contagious. It is not, by definition, a contagious illness in the medical sense (illness spread readily person to person by direct contact or indirect contact with secretions involving a transfer of pathogen). If you want to say infectious disease instead, fine, but the point remains: you don't get obesity from being in contact with a obese person in 5-15 minutes and then go on and spread that to others. Likening covid to obesity is asinine or ignorant or both.

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Gee. That seems like bad public heath for the residents of Texas.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/31/tx-school-district-closes-for-a-week-after-two-teachers-die-of-covid/

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 1, 2021

On 8/30/2021 at 6:43 PM, V Benitez said:

Any nursing students out there postponing this fall until we can get some choices?

What choices would you like? If it's not to vaccinate, given that many places are requiring it, (including nursing schools)--- yes do postpone.

10 hours ago, summertx said:

Flu, hepatitis vaccine, tuberculosis are not required in my state, if they are, there is no one to ensure compliance, only if there is an outbreak that is when state comes sniffing for noncompliance. People should have the choice to vaccinate and not be denied treatment because they made a mistake. That is doing harm to patients, by not treating them. That is not our job to cause harm to patients.

Staffing is hell where I am. Medical transport can take up to 8 hours to get there for a non emergent transport, x ray comes a day late, we have to call 911 if we need somewhat of an urgent transport, doctors can barely get there to see their patients (maybe they don't make time?) they live in nearby towns, nearest hospital has no ventilators, they have to be sent 40 min away if they have a bed. Some places can't afford the mandate.

Some people's health can't afford for us NOT to vaccinate.

SmilingBluEyes · Sep 1, 2021

10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Public health experts disagree with you.

I'm surprised that Texas doesn't require a TB test as a portion employment on boarding.

https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/disease/tb/statistics/epiprofile/sec01.shtm

I am surprised, frankly, as well. Way to not protect our patients and coworkers.

allnurses Guide · Sep 1, 2021

8 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

My plan to save the world is to do a rain dance, toast mother earth and hum allot.

Just making sure you are being facetitious and not disparaging aboriginal spiritual practices!

subee, MSN, CRNA · Sep 1, 2021

11 hours ago, summertx said:

Flu, hepatitis vaccine, tuberculosis are not required in my state, if they are, there is no one to ensure compliance, only if there is an outbreak that is when state comes sniffing for noncompliance. People should have the choice to vaccinate and not be denied treatment because they made a mistake. That is doing harm to patients, by not treating them. That is not our job to cause harm to patients.

Staffing is hell where I am. Medical transport can take up to 8 hours to get there for a non emergent transport, x ray comes a day late, we have to call 911 if we need somewhat of an urgent transport, doctors can barely get there to see their patients (maybe they don't make time?) they live in nearby towns, nearest hospital has no ventilators, they have to be sent 40 min away if they have a bed. Some places can't afford the mandate.

But if more people were vaccinated, your hospital wouldn't be in this ever -lasting cycle. Your lie about people here advocating not treating patients who are unvaccinated and sick .. no one has said that. Maybe they DREAM about it but that doesn't mean they would do it. This will be your life until you quit or vaccination rates get up to at least 90%. Nurses should be examples for the public, not sow disinformation that the vaccine is anything else but an absolute requirement.

jive turkey · Sep 1, 2021

5 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

There have been arguments that obesity is socially contagious. It is not, by definition, a contagious illness in the medical sense (illness spread readily person to person by direct contact or indirect contact with secretions involving a transfer of pathogen). If you want to say infectious disease instead, fine, but the point remains: you don't get obesity from being in contact with a obese person in 5-15 minutes and then go on and spread that to others. Likening covid to obesity is asinine or ignorant or both.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/31/tx-school-district-closes-for-a-week-after-two-teachers-die-of-covid/

So what if it's not spread by a pathogen? So what if it doesn't take 5 to 15 minutes?

It is spread and it can kill. A key issue with combating disease is the fact it spreads and kills.

You want to talk numbers about deaths from illnesses related to obesity?

Ironically, weren't a significant number of those who died from COVID obese? HELLO. But we aren't mandating much to curb obesity.

I'm not likening obesity to covid, I'm likening death and health care challenges from one disease to another and how we respond. The fact you didn't catch on to that is asinine.

Hey Boston, it may feel satisfying for you to use inflammatory language and personal criticism with your replies. Just know that it significantly cripples your argument and makes it look pathetic. What you have to say about FACTS is far more respectable.

iNurs5, CNA · Sep 1, 2021

5 hours ago, kbrn2002 said:

How is the battle playing out among health care workers in the UK? Genuinely curious. Do you see the same level of arguments amongst the pro-vaccine and anti-vaccine camp we are seeing here in the US?

I am astounded at the huge number of intelligent, educated professionals in my country both in the healthcare fields and outside it that fall into the strongly anti-vaccination camp in the US. Wondering if it's

12 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

My plan to save the world is to do a rain dance, toast mother earth and hum allot.

Good. Enjoy and have fun.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 1, 2021

6 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Hey Boston, it may feel satisfying for you to use inflammatory language and personal criticism with your replies. Just know that it significantly cripples your argument and makes it look pathetic. What you have to say about FACTS is far more respectable.

Interesting.

Your comments are littered with inflammatory language and personal criticisms while also crippled by a distinct lack of facts which support your arguments.

allnurses Guide · Sep 1, 2021

3 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Ironically, weren't a significant number of those who died from COVID obese? HELLO. But we aren't mandating much to curb obesity.

I'm not likening obesity to covid, I'm likening death and health care challenges from one disease to another and how we respond.

Is there a vaccine for obesity?

I spend a good chunk of my day trying to combat obesity. There is no quick and easy solution to that crisis, unfortunately. I'm not sure what an employer could mandate to reduce obesity mortality by 95% in a month but I'd be open to it.

jive turkey · Sep 1, 2021

43 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

Is there a vaccine for obesity?

I spend a good chunk of my day trying to combat obesity. There is no quick and easy solution to that crisis, unfortunately. I'm not sure what an employer could mandate to reduce obesity mortality by 95% in a month but I'd be open to it.

No.

You need not qualify yourself I already get what you do. There's no quick and easy solution to that crisis but not COVID either. People are still getting the infection with the vaccine, we have variants, so this isn't quick and easy.

I'm not disagreeing with you that there's benefit to the vaccine.

I'm not talking obesity with you to say, we should throw vaccines out the window and act like COVID isn't real.

In reality Boston I'm disappointed it takes a disease to get mainstream media coverage for us to want to be proactive about to controlling it to the degree of mandates when we have other preventable diseases killing in large numbers not only exempt from mandates but being enabled.

What if we heard heart breaking stories every night of someone that died from complications related to their obesity and diabetes? All the fast food they ate, cigarettes smoked etc. It isn't given the attention like this disease is but killing as many if not more people arguably.

toomuchbaloney · Sep 1, 2021

4 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

People are still getting the infection with the vaccine, we have variants, so this isn't quick and easy.

But the vaccinated and infected aren't the population overwhelming health systems, the unvaccinated are. Yes, vaccines are the quicker and easier way to herd immunity.

6 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What if we heard heart breaking stories every night of someone that died from complications related to their obesity and diabetes? All the fast food they ate, cigarettes smoked etc. It isn't given the attention like this disease is but killing as many if not more people arguably.

All of that is irrelevant to the pandemic which is responsible for our current public health emergency. This thread isn't about leaving your job because of a chronic health condition. Covid is killing more humans than the diseases you keep deflecting to. Covid is a VPD.

londonflo · Sep 1, 2021

11 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What if we heard heart breaking stories every night of someone that died from complications related to their obesity and diabetes?

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