Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

[jive turkey]

For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

10 hours ago, Glam03 said:

 

This basically sums of the United States in a nutshell. The highest rate of Covid Hospitalized patients are obese. This is a fact! One of the best ways to prevent Covid hospitalizations and deaths is eating healthy and exercising.. The media will never push or talk about this. 

Nice. But the other side of this is, the vast majority of people occupying beds with COVID are un-vaccinated.

So this while you may think is funny, is unrelated.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

11 hours ago, Glam03 said:

 

This basically sums of the United States in a nutshell. The highest rate of Covid Hospitalized patients are obese. This is a fact! One of the best ways to prevent Covid hospitalizations and deaths is eating healthy and exercising.. The media will never push or talk about this. 

 

Obesity is an illness with significant morbidity and mortality, but it isn't contagious. 

The best way to prevent covid hospitalizations is getting vaccinated.

13 hours ago, V Benitez said:

Any nursing students out there postponing this fall until we can get some choices?

You absolutely should postpone. 

[BostonFNP, APRN]

11 hours ago, Glam03 said:

You realize this is a global pandemic.. To prevent mutations you would literally have to vaccinate 70 to 80 percent of the world's population. Umm.. good luck with that. The US could achieve a high vaccination rate, but if other countries don't follow suit then this will continue to mutate.

It appears this is behaving much like influenza. I have read influenza vaccines are like only between 30 to 40 percent effective each season....so not that great.. 

The threshold for covid herd immunity is around 60%. We are at 40% now and increasing exponentially plus another 5% from natural immunity. It's is possible to reach that number with time.

The more people vaccinated or naturally immune the less the risk of variants. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. 

This is nothing like influenza. 

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

34 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

The threshold for covid herd immunity is around 60%. We are at 40% now and increasing exponentially plus another 5% from natural immunity. It's is possible to reach that number with time.

The more people vaccinated or naturally immune the less the risk of variants. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. 

This is nothing like influenza. 

Well, some would disagree with your analysis: 

"Herd immunity looks different for different viruses. That's because the concept hinges on how easily a particular virus spreads from person to person.

"It's still unclear exactly how many people will need to be vaccinated in order to achieve herd immunity to COVID-19, but experts estimate that it will take at least 70% of the population — with some estimates ranging as high as 90%," says Dr. Drews.

In the U.S., that means at least 248 million people will need to be vaccinated."

https://www.houstonmethodist.org/blog/articles/2020/dec/herd-immunity-how-many-people-need-to-get-the-covid-19-vaccine/

[jive turkey]

2 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

Obesity is an illness with significant morbidity and mortality, but it isn't contagious. 

 

I disagree.

Obesity can certainly be contagious.  

If any of you read that and are gearing up a sarcastic rebuttal, look up the definitions for contagious first.

What I see people do is try to dismiss the challenges other chronic illnesses present to society and the health care system as it relates to COVID by saying "they're not "contagious".

[toomuchbaloney]

36 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I disagree.

Obesity can certainly be contagious.  

If any of you read that and are gearing up a sarcastic rebuttal, look up the definitions for contagious first.

What I see people do is try to dismiss the challenges other chronic illnesses present to society and the health care system as it relates to COVID by saying "they're not "contagious".

That's simply disingenuous. 

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

3 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

Obesity is an illness with significant morbidity and mortality, but it isn't contagious. 

The best way to prevent covid hospitalizations is getting vaccinated.

This is true. It's not contagious. However, the obvious point is, different people have different risks. Obese, elderly, and chronically should be vaccinated, no question. But that is not what is pushed by the narrative. The narrative says all people should equally be vaccinated with relatively few exceptions.

Not ALL people need the vaccine. The goal should be protecting high risk populations. All people should have the OPTION. But not all people should be mandated. The only thing we should uniformly encourage is healthy eating as that actually does apply universally. 

Obese and elderly people should be mandated if we are going to mandate anyone. Even then I don't like mandates for the precedent it sets. But if we are mandating, it should be targeted at the highest risk. 

[SmilingBluEyes]

An obese person is not going to make me or my family obese simply by breathing on me.

It's as simple as that. Anything else is indeed, disingenuous.

[iNurs5, CNA]

I left my job for a different reason. I do whatever if my employer doesn't grant my wishes, I'm not going to sit and pout in the corner.  I either change my attitude or leave. I don't go on internet and run behind their backs to trash their businesses. I haven't been doing that.

No hard feelings. I'm sure the employer can do the same if I fail to satisfy its mission and expectations. 

 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

3 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

This is true. It's not contagious. However, the obvious point is, different people have different risks. Obese, elderly, and chronically should be vaccinated, no question. But that is not what is pushed by the narrative. The narrative says all people should equally be vaccinated with relatively few exceptions.

Not ALL people need the vaccine. The goal should be protecting high risk populations. All people should have the OPTION. But not all people should be mandated. The only thing we should uniformly encourage is healthy eating as that actually does apply universally. 

Obese and elderly people should be mandated if we are going to mandate anyone. Even then I don't like mandates for the precedent it sets. But if we are mandating, it should be targeted at the highest risk. 

Unvaccinated nurse working in hospital is a risk to patients and IMHO, it is a legal issue for hospitals who don't mandate.  At any rate the government isn't mandating anyone outside of government workers  The government is not mandating hospital medical staffs to get vaxxed.  The EMPLOYERS are.  EMPLOYERS can pretty much do what they want to do with their own businesses.  If you think this is wrong, ask your politicians to socialize all the businesses.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

On 8/20/2021 at 5:13 PM, Seda8OR said:

Since the virus has a treatment and a 99 percent survival rate....

This belittles the fact that hospitals are strained to the max.  One hospital here 108% capacity of their ICU beds, meaning some are spilling over to other areas, my facility is at 91% capacity.  All of those people in ICU are suffering tremendously, the medical staff is suffering tremendously with the stress and burden of caring for them.  

But yes, let's just concentrate on the 99% survival rate and call it treatable.  

[iNurs5, CNA]

2 minutes ago, Tweety said:

This belittles the fact that hospitals are strained to the max.  One hospital here 108% capacity of their ICU beds, meaning some are spilling over to other areas, my facility is at 91% capacity.  All of those people in ICU are suffering tremendously, the medical staff is suffering tremendously with the stress and burden of caring for them.  

But yes, let's just concentrate on the 99% survival rate and call it treatable.  

Maybe community services should be also a requirement for everyone. I think they can do hospitality aide services, mop the floors, clean rooms, and toilets...Anything to do caring for the sick. Maybe they can train to be as an NA to bath the residents or patients, so the short staffing and patient suffering ends.