Judy Mikovitz, Ph D and Anthony Fauci, MD

CharleeFoxtrot, BSN, RN · May 10, 2020

What everyone needs is a nice refresher on Occam's Razor (paraphrased simply as "the simplest solution is most likely the right one". )

Which is the "simplest" explanation for COVID-19? Apply Occam's Razor.

A: occurs in nature; I.e. fecal matter happens.

-or-

B: Vast conspiracy of silence, cover up by mean greedy shadowy figures for nefarious and EVIL reasons?

I'm going with "A".

TriciaJ, RN · May 10, 2020

16 hours ago, Kooky Korky said:
Seriously.
The reason to give consideration to anyone about anything is that when you are on the outside,
you are not on the inside.
Just exactly, exactly how do we determine what research to believe and what not to believe?
What exactly makes a source reliable and what makes it not reliable? Being peer-reviewed is no guarantee. Life is awfully uncertain. Just because someone seems wrong or right, truthful or otherwise doesn't mean that is so.
Life is filled with differing opinions and differing interpretations. Just like having to get temp checks every time you enter a store, clinic, or office. There are many, many reasons besides this blasted virus that someone might have a temp. How about other infections, the weather, hot flashes, strong emotion skewing VS, other? And anyone can pop some anti-pyretic before going somewhere where temps are checked and likely beat the thermometer. So it seems rather foolish and unhelpful to do all of this temp checking.
I don't know why this woman would want to risk slander or libel charges by Dr. Fauci, for instance, by saying some of the things she is saying if they are untrue.
One thing I do question about her is that she says she was not able to get a lawyer to defend her. I think, though, that an attorney would have been appointed to her if she had requested that. I think.
I also wonder about her saying there was no search warrant, no arrest warrant. And a 4 year gag order also doesn't seem to ring quite true.
On the other hand, why would she say these things if untrue? It is probably easy enough to verify the existence of warrants, although these could be phonied up easily enough.
And we should not assume the innocence of Dr. Fauci or anyone else she mentions. They are mere mortals, able to be tempted, I guess, by hopes of fame and fortune..
I just don't know what to believe.

You don't need to believe good or ill of Dr. Fauci unless you've researched him yourself and formed your own opinion.

I was PM'd Judy Mikovitz's video on FB by a nurse, no less, who seemed to believe it. Turning on my listening ears and judging brain, I heard holes in the story. She claimed to have been arrested without a warrant and without charges, in the US. I call BS. She might have disputed the charges; maybe they were even bogus. But that is a far cry from there not having been any. I would expect someone who claims to be a scientific researcher to be a lot more precise with her speech.

The video was full of victim statements. A quick Google search revealed a checkered past, at best. Maybe the good Dr. Mikovitz is a paragon of scientific research and is being hideously persecuted. But too many things triggered my skepticism.

southern rn · May 11, 2020

On 5/7/2020 at 11:02 PM, Kooky Korky said:
Please Google this woman. I don't know how to put in a link or drag the articles about her to this site.
But she is saying some really disturbing things about the latest killer virus and Dr. Fauci.
I have no idea what's true and what isn't. Please let me know what you think.

I think Fauci is a little too busy at the moment to worry about slander.thats about the equivalent of bringing charges against the kid of xbox live for saying your mom is fat.

butterflyxoxo · May 11, 2020

On 5/10/2020 at 9:21 AM, hherrn said:
This is when the opinions of those on the inside matter. What do experts in her field think of her work? Is she often cited in other research? Who are the people supporting her statements, and what are their qualifications?
Relying on expert opinion is nothing new. We have done it forever.
While all opinions can get an audience given modern communication and media options, that does not mean they all deserve equal consideration. My banker might have an opinion on which water pump will work best in my house, but I value the plumber's opinion more. Conversely, when it comes to retirement, I think I'll go with the banker.
People say untrue stuff all the time. Some people are famous for publicly stating demonstrable falsehoods as though they were facts.

Well said and relied to comments with good advice.

You made great examples with your reply, and I agree. Experts are only experts if it pertains to the subject context. Plumbers for banking or bankers for plumbing although might be correct in their help. You would usually do as the ^^^ said and call a plumber for the leak not the banker.

The hard part is everyone consults Youtube and claims to be a DIY expert at everything now. Or wears multiple hats.

As for Fauci I haven't been a fan since he started making words out of his mouth on tv day 1. He hyped this virus up and every comment to a question asked was always danced around and blown out of context to make it worst. Or he just avoided answering all together. If you go back and rewatch many interviews with him or news casts he avoids answering a lot more than he does. And the answers given are the same speech everytime almost. My dad comes from a genetics and virology and micro background. So for me I will admit I'm biased as I've listened to him my entire life and his work and job. I overheard a lot as a kid and adult. The main objective in that field is to be recognized for something. Most go their entire career unnoticed and led to feel insignificant over their research. If not published or new, you become irrelevant. They equate their job similar to a famous actor or singer. When not in the spotlight or on tv or radio anymore who remembers you, who cares? This is Fauci! He wanted Covid19 to blow up for as long as possible to write that book, publish journals and get interviews and his name out there. Before this crisis, no one knew his name unless you worked with him or knew him personally. Now the entire planet knows him.

That definitely does tell you a bit more about his agenda and how much he cares. I think people that have your best interest in mind, do things to help you. I'm no fan of Trumps behavior daily. But in this crisis, he did and showed every way to keep people informed and help them. He called out "WHO" when they did a bad job publicizing this. He got people stimulus checks to pay bills and worked hard to get companies on board to hold off on payments with no one working. He is trying to get jobs back open and states back open safely. I actually feel he did a pretty good job overall with hands tied and limited options.

BlessYourHeartt · May 11, 2020

She's not credible: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/fact-checking-judy-mikovits-controversial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral#

emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B · May 12, 2020

4 hours ago, Chunkybubblz3 said:
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As for Fauci I haven't been a fan since he started making words out of his mouth on tv day 1. He hyped this virus up and every comment to a question asked was always danced around and blown out of context to make it worst. Or he just avoided answering all together. If you go back and rewatch many interviews with him or news casts he avoids answering a lot more than he does. And the answers given are the same speech everytime almost. My dad comes from a genetics and virology and micro background. So for me I will admit I'm biased as I've listened to him my entire life and his work and job. I overheard a lot as a kid and adult. The main objective in that field is to be recognized for something. Most go their entire career unnoticed and led to feel insignificant over their research. If not published or new, you become irrelevant. They equate their job similar to a famous actor or singer. When not in the spotlight or on tv or radio anymore who remembers you, who cares? This is Fauci! He wanted Covid19 to blow up for as long as possible to write that book, publish journals and get interviews and his name out there. Before this crisis, no one knew his name unless you worked with him or knew him personally. Now the entire planet knows him.

That definitely does tell you a bit more about his agenda and how much he cares...

?

Here’s Dr Fauci’s bio. Where in the wide world of sports did you come up with the theory that he hyped this virus? And not for nuthin’ but just because you never heard of him doesn’t mean he was an unknown. Read & learn

“Dr. Anthony Fauci attended Cornell Medical College before beginning his long career at National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in 1968. After taking over as NIAID director in 1984, he became known for his groundbreaking work in HIV-AIDS research, helping to develop effective drugs to scale back the once-outsized mortality rate. Fauci later led U.S. government efforts to combat outbreaks of the West Nile virus, SARS and Ebola, before returning to the spotlight in 2020 with the coronavirus pandemic.“

To read the rest of this extremely impressive bio, go to https://www.biography.com/scientist/anthony-fauci

Leader25, ASN, BSN, RN · May 12, 2020

Utter quackery,might have been bright at one point but both are jerks.I have read the original posts on WHO and CDC,y should be ashamed. Leave it to the real scientists.

lifelearningrn, BSN, RN · May 12, 2020

21 hours ago, Chunkybubblz3 said:
That definitely does tell you a bit more about his agenda and how much he cares. I think people that have your best interest in mind, do things to help you. I'm no fan of Trumps behavior daily. But in this crisis, he did and showed every way to keep people informed and help them. He called out "WHO" when they did a bad job publicizing this. He got people stimulus checks to pay bills and worked hard to get companies on board to hold off on payments with no one working. He is trying to get jobs back open and states back open safely. I actually feel he did a pretty good job overall with hands tied and limited options.

I'd argue the bipartisan bill that passed in the house and senate got people their stimulus checks.. but that's neither here nor there..

Trump has been given confusing, mixed, and sometimes outright lies during this entire thing. First it was a hoax, then everything was under control, then we had the best and most testing on the planet (still untrue).

I tried, really hard in March to be supportive and give him the benefit of the doubt... but he's stuck his foot in his own mouth too many times to take the man seriously at this point.

allnurses Guide · May 12, 2020

I saw a wonderful meme that stated something true very succinctly. Scientific evidence is presented via peer reviewed documents. Conspiracy theories are presented via Internet videos.

Lauragfa2000 · May 12, 2020

On 5/8/2020 at 10:57 PM, herring_RN said:
Thank you! this gives her claims and then reality. One example of many:
... She claims there is no vaccine for an RNA virus that works. This is patently false. Polio is an RNA virus. The polio vaccination campaign is one of the most successful vaccination campaigns in history, which has almost eradicated the virus from the planet....
https://thoughtsfromavirologist.wordpress.com/blog/?fbclid=IwAR3GjzRRh2jgQPaIFeM_chirwD13VgJ6QDxY-n-iGvqj3dOjACAdD2ZDJy4

This is by far the clearest and most easily read rebuttals I have read to date. Thank you for sharing this.

allnurses Guide · May 12, 2020

On 5/8/2020 at 7:29 PM, Kooky Korky said:
She says she is not anti-vax.
What is her scam?

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... Interviewer: If we activate mandatory vaccines globally, I imagine these people stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars that own the vaccines.
Mikovits: And they’ll kill millions, as they already have with their vaccines. There is no vaccine currently on the schedule for any RNA virus that works.*
Interviewer: So, I have to ask you, are you antivaccine?
Mikovits: Oh, absolutely not. In fact vaccine is immune therapy, just like interferon alpha is immune therapy, so I’m not antivaccine. My job is to develop immune therapies. That’s what vaccines are...
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/fact-checking-judy-mikovits-controversial-virologist-attacking-anthony-fauci-viral

She says she is not anti vaccine, yet claims vaccines kill millions. Illogical531878881-1ff734ea094c3ed688d46

* Polio (Both injection and oral), influenza "Flu shot", measles, mumps, rubella, rabies, yellow fever, and Ebola are RNA viruses prevented by vaccine.

Seen 'Plandemic'? We Take A Close Look At The Viral Conspiracy Video's Claims

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/08/852451652/seen-plandemic-we-take-a-close-look-at-the-viral-conspiracy-video-s-claims

brandy1017, ASN, RN · May 12, 2020

On 5/10/2020 at 2:28 AM, toomuchbaloney said:
Of course you should assume the innocence and credibility of Dr. Fauci at this time. You have access to plenty of very professional history with his career and ZERO evidence that he has done anything except his job, to the best of his ability under very difficult circumstances. Why are you tempted to believe something which is contrary to all evidence available you? Crackpots are not uncommon today.

I don't know the truth if he has profited off his work with diseases or vaccines, but I sure as hell know he has NOT done his job protecting US! Instead he has thrown us to the wolves saying a simple mask is OK and even a bandanna may be used. Just today I saw an new article about Cecelia Marcos RN who died taking care of a patient and only had a simple mask. Because her hospital like the majority are not providing nurses with N95 or PAPR's, telling them a simple mask is OK because the CDC says it is. Then the N95's are locked up and if one is blessed to get one has to reuse it for days at a time. Sometimes being "disinfected" and given to someone use.

I listened to her and she does bring up issues that concern me such as using animals for vaccines and that govt officials can profit off vaccines etc. That she would be "discredited" for speaking out, well that is typical of how a whistleblower is treated!