Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
It matters because it is not a guess that Trump was given steroids, unless you are suggesting that his medical team lied about that. They don't need to tell me what the side effects of steroids are.
You think it's ridiculous but, honestly that's irrelevant and your thinking is often proven wrong as it was about about later term abortions. You should look it up... Trump's covid treatment.
Yeah... maybe the steroids made Trump irritable and agitated and adversely affected his judgement...or maybe he's just erratic and inappropriately emotional as a baseline.
Yes, we know that you can make things up. You apparently made up a reason to get concerned over termination of viable pregnancies for convenience.
Do you think that Cipollone will cooperate with the committee?
Proven wrong hey?
Under who's authority? Yours?
It's time you come to an understanding that your self conflating ego boosting anonymous persona you think you have on this forum is just as made up as and disingenuous as your silly steroid story.
It's not hard to get likes in a echochamber will very little variation of thought. Where everyone think just like you.
Only a fool thinks they are always right and a charlatan only think he's noble. It's quite ironic actually, you seem to share some of the same naccisistic character flaws of Trump.
Now I'd rather not stoop to the level of ad hominem attacks. Please move on and make up some more sreroidtales.
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20 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:
So you can say with certainty that Trump was acting violent because of dose of steroids? Really? LOL Where did you get this "fact" from?
Do you know when the last dose he took before that day?
You made up something asinine and completly ridiculous. Probably because of your inability to control your feelings for a president you do not like.
You tell me, did I say that OR are you trying to misrepresent what I've actually said? Why haven't you bothered to Google the question about steroids in Trump's covid treatment? It was widely reported at the time and there was a discussion about it in another thread here in AN.
You tell me, did I say that it are you trying to misrepresent what I've actually said? Why haven't you bothered to Google the question about steroids in Trump's covid treatment? It was widely reported at the time and there was a discussion about it in another thread here in AN.
You are making yourself appear foolish.
You said that Trumps behavior was because of steroids. Completly fabricated. Many people take steroids and don't become violent. You should know that as a healthcare worker. (I'm not even arguing he didn't act violent. Did it on his own).
You are just as guilty of making up false propaganda that you bestow on anyone who has a different opinion than yours.
4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
You tell me, did I say that it are you trying to misrepresent what I've actually said? Why haven't you bothered to Google the question about steroids in Trump's covid treatment? It was widely reported at the time and there was a discussion about it in another thread here in AN.
You are making yourself appear foolish.
To who you? Oh no. What will I ever do? Good thing I'm not taking steroids. I'm might get mad and throw my lunch at the wall.....
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1 minute ago, Justlookingfornow said:
Proven wrong hey?
Under who's authority? Yours?
It's time you come to an understanding that your self conflating ego boosting anonymous persona you think you have on this forum is as made up and disingenuous as your silly steroid story.
Only a fool thinks they are always right and a charlatan only think he's noble. It's quite ironic actually, you seem to share some of the same naccisistic character flaws of Trump.
Facts and data matter... the facts and data deflated your late term abortion fears. Do you disagree with the data that was presented now? Is that disagreement with the data based on YOUR authority? Or maybe you are attached to an irrational fear.
Regardless, there's evidence that Trump was behaving in a concerning, even crazy fashion and his cabinet discussed the 25th amendment. It was reported that he was started on steroids when he was in the hospital in October 2020.
You said that Trumps behavior was because of steroids. Completly fabricated. Many people take steroids and don't become violent. You should know that as a healthcare worker. (I'm not even arguing he didn't act violent. Did it on his own).
You are just as guilty of making up false propaganda that you bestow on anyone who has a different opinion than yours.
To who you? Oh no. What will I ever do? Good thing I'm not taking steroids. I'm might get mad and throw my lunch at the wall.....
Facts and data matter... the facts and data deflated your late term abortion fears. Do you disagree with the data that was presented now? Is that disagreement with the data based on YOUR authority? Or maybe you are attached to an irrational fear.
Regardless, there's evidence that Trump was behaving in a concerning, even crazy fashion and his cabinet discussed the 25th amendment. It was reported that he was started on steroids when he was in the hospital in October 2020.
" If the president's doctors had prescribed him the recommended course of treatment, Trump would have finished the steroid therapy early next week. On Thursday evening, White House physician Dr. Sean Conley said Trump has completed his COVID-19 treatment.".
This was written on October 8 2021. Trumps Dr's confirmed he completed the treatment.
So are you telling me Trump experienced side effects all the way to Jan.6th 2022? Some 12 weeks later?
How does that "crow" taste? Hopefully stays as long as a medication no longer in your body can cause side effects.
You proved Trump took steroids but have failed to provide any info on if he in fact has side effects. 12 plus weeks later. All the articles on it are opinion and speculation. A common occurrence for anything this president did. Even when not needed. Like now. He acted shamefully enough. Why the need to throw in some ridiculous theory of roid rage?
I assume no authority. I can accept diverse opinions. However tolerating hypocrisy from self righteous people is harder to manage for me personally .
You said that Trumps behavior was because of steroids. Completly fabricated. Many people take steroids and don't become violent. You should know that as a healthcare worker. (I'm not even arguing he didn't act violent. Did it on his own).
You are just as guilty of making up false propaganda that you bestow on anyone who has a different opinion than yours.
To who you? Oh no. What will I ever do? Good thing I'm not taking steroids. I'm might get mad and throw my lunch at the wall.....
What are you, thirteen? This little game of yo’ mama doesn’t obscure the fact that the committee is presenting very clear hard evidence: names, dates, phone logs, tweets, texts, documents, and sworn testimony from people “in the room” who will be kissing their careers as Republican influencers goodbye by so doing.
This conversation seems stuck in varsity gotcha practice. Too bad, cause things are starting to get interesting. It will be interesting to see how Cipolloni responds. He has four options: refuse to testify, tell the truth under oath, lie under oath, or plead the fifth. My guess is that he’ll refuse to testify and then start the lawsuit dance until the clock runs down on the midterms when, if republicans retake the house, he’s likely off the hook.
I heard a juicy tidbit on lefty news toniite. The claim was made that Cipolloni was a ditto-head, and good buddies with the Limbaugh himself. I look forward to seeing how he handles himself through all this.
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1 hour ago, Justlookingfornow said:
" If the president's doctors had prescribed him the recommended course of treatment, Trump would have finished the steroid therapy early next week. On Thursday evening, White House physician Dr. Sean Conley said Trump has completed his COVID-19 treatment.".
This was written on October 8 2021. Trumps Dr's confirmed he completed the treatment.
So are you telling me Trump experienced side effects all the way to Jan.6th 2022? Some 12 weeks later?
How does that "crow" taste? Hopefully stays as long as a medication no longer in your body can cause side effects.
You proved Trump took steroids but have failed to provide any info on if he in fact has side effects. 12 plus weeks later. All the articles on it are opinion and speculation. A common occurrence for anything this president did. Even when not needed. Like now. He acted shamefully enough. Why the need to throw in some ridiculous theory of roid rage?
I assume no authority. I can accept diverse opinions. However tolerating hypocrisy from self righteous people is harder to manage for me personally .
Yeah. You claimed I made up the steroid story. You were rudely and arrogantly wrong about every aspect of that exchange. You moving the goal posts doesn't change that it just makes you appear dishonest and foolish.
If you think I claimed that Trump, in fact, did have side effects then that reflects poor reading comprehension on your part.
It's not clear that you know what hypocrisy entails.
So you can say with certainty that Trump was acting violent because of dose of steroids? Really? LOL Where did you get this "fact" from?
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People close to President Donald Trump are wondering whether a steroid used to treat his coronavirus infection is affecting his judgment, multiple reports say. (Italics mine)
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US President Donald Trump's reckless behavior during his hospitalization for the coronavirus has led his family to worry about how to try and bring him under control, with his son Donald Trump Jr. reportedly having wanted to hold an intervention, sources told Vanity Fair.
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“[Trump Jr.] thinks Trump is acting crazy,” sources told Vanity Fair, adding that he supposedly tried lobbying his siblings Eric and Ivanka Trump, as well as brother-in-law Jared Kushner, to try and stage an intervention for the president's behavior. However, Kushner and Ivanka don't seem to be on board.
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“Don Jr. has said he wants to stage an intervention, but Jared and Ivanka keep telling Trump how great he’s doing,” sources told Vanity Fair, with Trump Jr. reportedly saying “I’m not going to be the only one to tell him he’s acting crazy.” (Italics mine)
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These worries come amid concerns regarding the state of Trump's mental clarity, particularly due to the potential side effects that could be caused by the medications used to treat him, most notably the steroid dexamethasone. (italics mine)
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The drug, which is typically reserved for only severe cases to reduce inflammation and prevent lung injury, comes with a number of side effects, such as being able to cause extreme mood swings of anger or euphoria, University of Pennsylvania surgeon and Society of Critical Care Medicine president Dr. Lewis Kaplan told ABC News on Monday.“Some patients may develop psychiatric symptoms after being treated with steroids including euphoria, mood instability, rage or psychosis,” he explained. (Italics mine)
A quick Google search found these 2 articles. I posted quick excerpts above.
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20yrs experience with Respiratory nursing and vents, I sure thought that steroid euphoria influenced the Presidents motorcade trip around Walter Reed ( I can't let my people see me being sick). Along with the "piles" of folders (reported as blank) seen on desk while in hospital former guy seen signing --- not something most docs would recommend doing when hospitalized with Covid. Fact that he demanded to leave after 3 days, could barely walk up steps to WH (stupid move) to remove facemask and wave to crowd ---all signs that appearances more important to him than professional advice being dispensed --continuing a lifelong pattern observing him over 30 years time.
Meadows spoke to the press I watched it live saying that Trumps O2 level very low AND wrote about it in his book:
Yes, LFN. Some of us here are actual nurses who have cared for patients with steroid psychosis. It is not THAT rare. I have seen it and just recently had a friend hospitalized because of it. It was part of his cancer treatment. They don't treat Covid patients with kitten doses. You do realize that drug side effects can linearly associated with their side effects? I thought that it could definitely have been related to Trump's behavior when he left the hospital. It was one of the FIRST things I thought of....as did many of the other NURSES who watched it behaviors on television live. You really are making yourself look bad here because you don't even have the curiosity to look it up and stop making a fool of yourself.
No, they aren't going to testify because they don't want the credibility of that witness damaged.
Cost effectiveness....rofl
Have a good night.
I’m not so sure of that. I just reviewed the video of her testimony. She never claimed to have witnessed the event. She reported what she was told, named names of both the teller and a witness to that conversation (who were both in the car with the ex-president at the time of the event). She also testified that neither of those direct witnesses ever told her that the event didn’t happen the way her informant described.
So, once again, all the rofl-ing in the world doesn’t hide the fact that you are, once again misrepresenting what was said.
I’m not so sure of that. I just reviewed the video of her testimony. She never claimed to have witnessed the event. She reported what she was told, named names of both the teller and a witness to that conversation (who were both in the car with the ex-president at the time of the event). She also testified that neither of those direct witnesses ever told her that the event didn’t happen the way her informant described.
So, once again, all the rofl-ing in the world doesn’t hide the fact that you are, once again misrepresenting what was said.
No, I never said she testified directly to what happened. Remember, the hearsay discussion?
She testified to what someone, Tony Ornato, told her. Apparently, Ornato is telling others he never told her that, and the Secret Service is saying the incident didn't happen.
And, others who are familiar with the presidential limo are saying it woukd be almost impossible for Trump to get to the steering wheels.
If anyone is misrepresenting her testimony, it's the liberal press.
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Proven wrong hey?
Under who's authority? Yours?
It's time you come to an understanding that your self conflating ego boosting anonymous persona you think you have on this forum is just as made up as and disingenuous as your silly steroid story.
It's not hard to get likes in a echochamber will very little variation of thought. Where everyone think just like you.
Only a fool thinks they are always right and a charlatan only think he's noble. It's quite ironic actually, you seem to share some of the same naccisistic character flaws of Trump.
Now I'd rather not stoop to the level of ad hominem attacks. Please move on and make up some more sreroidtales.