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Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/03/clark-eastman-fifth-amendment/
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/mark-meadows-lawsuit/index.html
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-powerpoint-January-election-results-trump-1658076
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
Only the finest people...
13 minutes ago, heron said:No … the process of getting the workers in question before the committee is likely to be expensive and would be wasteful if it doesn’t materially change the meaning of all the other evidence presented regarding the genesis of the Jan 6 riot.
You know, like how it doesn’t make sense to do a lot of expensive tests if it’s not going to change the treatment of the patient.
You know like how it doesn't make sense to spend copious amounts of time and money making allegations that will never bring criminal charges for the worst thing since 9/11?
52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:They were invited and come tell their truths under oath. Why are so many refusing to say what they know? Will Meadows testify? Will Cipollone testify?
You have a source that the secret service agent and the presidential limo driver were invited to testify and refused? They seem more than willing now. How strange?
3 minutes ago, subee said:A made up story about steroids? You ingnorance is in full flora now. You could have looked this up at any time you expressed that the idea was a lie. Too lazy? Don't know how to Google? What exactly is the problem?
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For someone who is Just Looking Now, you should have had the curiosity to check yourself by now.
The member tried to make up a theory that Trump was taking steroids for covid which I imagine was to give validity to the obvious false testimony of this aid. To some how make his "violent" behavior seem more believable because he may have been taking steroids.
I wasn't saying steroids do not cause side effects.However they do not always cause sideeffects. For the love of God! Are you being deliberately obtuse? Or a favorite word here, deflecting?
How about a big giant steroid strawman? Another favorite!.
There is no evidence or even far left report that Trump was taking steriods.There is no reports of this at all. The member completly made it up. After he accuses everyone else for making things up. More hypocrisy, no suprise.
For the record. I know steriods cause side effects. However there is absolutly zero evidence to say Trump was even taking steroids. I was arguing the accusation, not the adverse effect from steroids. Mkay?
6 hours ago, Beerman said:Now we have a president who likely suffered some brain damage from aneuryisms over 30 years ago and is now 79, forgets names, introduces others as the president, and needs note cards to tell him when to sit down. Have you evaluated his fitness for office?
Did you learn Trump wanted magnometers removed, or did you learn someone thinks they overheard him say that?
What kind of information do you think some sort of cross examination might have revealed? For example, police audio was played describing men walking down the street carrying AR15's. My instant reaction was, "OK, and then?" I mean, that is illegal in DC, and at least suspicious. Were these men questioned, arrested, or did it turn out to be not true?
And, then there is all the heresay...
Nothing but a Democrat fundraising show trial.
Did you not see this question or are you deliberately ignoring it? ??
QuoteWhat kind of information do you think some sort of cross examination might have revealed?
Your idea that a West Wing staff member should be questioned about the particulars of possible violations of firearms laws in DC as if she should know makes no sense and has nothing to do with the very reason the Committee exists.
Your determination to look for a detail to pick apart rather than look at the whole picture indicates indoctrination or maybe it's fueled by an ends justify the means mentality. That's usually where apologists end up when the facts against their idol pile up day after day.
I predict things will continue to deteriorate for those clinging to the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so what and the whatabout Biden defense strategy.
The beauty of it is that there were lots of other people around the events Ms Hutchinson described, and what do you know? Even those with the most to lose can't avoid telling the truth forever.
3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:LOL... since I don't make any claims about all people your comment is irrelevant. It's fine with me if you'd rather believe that Trump was simply inappropriate and rage prone as a baseline rather than excuse it as a medication side effect.
Maybe all of the evidence of corruption running deep and wide through republican politics in the era of Trump is making you feel defensive and uncomfortable.
I said he should be charged. For what he did with Pence. If he committed any crime, he should be charged. I even think he most likely did! So I'm not sure what it is you think I should say?
2 hours ago, Justlookingfornow said:I'm not a weakling that can't handle opposition from anonymous people on the internet.
What "case"? LOL
There isn't one.
And yet your arguments are weak, your logic is weak, your facts are weak and your debate and discussion skills are weak. It's not opposition that's the challenge, it's cogent thoughtful response that seems to elude you and your friend @MaybeeRN so much of the time.
1 hour ago, Beerman said:The liberal media and their followers, including some here, were all giddy about a surprise hearing. And then what was described as the "most explosive revelation" of that hearing, it seems, is turning out to be untrue.
Pointing that out is a "wasteful distraction"? OK...LOL
Let’s see if anyone actually rebuts Hutchinson under oath.
“Jody Hunt, a former assistant attorney general under Trump who's now working as Hutchinson’s legal counsel, called on others with knowledge of her testimony to come forward and testify under oath.
“Ms. Hutchinson testified, under oath, and recounted what she was told,” Hunt tweeted. “Those with knowledge of the episode also should testify under oath.”
Other Trump White House officials who leapt to Hutchinson's defense also challenged her critics to come testify under oath. Alyssa Farah Griffin, Vice President Mike Pence’s press secretary and White House strategic communications director, described Hutchinson as a “friend.”
“To anyone who would try to impugn her character, I’d be glad to put you in touch w/ @January6thCmte to appear UNDER OATH,” she said, highlighting the fact that skeptics of Hutchinson’s testimony have been able to push back publicly without penalty of perjury.
“Anyone downplaying Cassidy Hutchinson’s role or her access in the West Wing either doesn’t understand how the Trump WH worked or is attempting to discredit her because they’re scared of how damning this testimony is,” added Sarah Matthews, a former deputy press secretary. “For those complaining of 'hearsay,' I imagine the Jan. 6 committee would welcome any of those involved to deny these allegations under oath.”
Former acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney said Meadows, Ornato and Robert Engel, the head of Trump's Secret Service detail and the agent Trump reportedly lunged toward, should be prepared to testify as well.
“This is explosive stuff,” Mulvaney tweeted. “If Cassidy is making this up, they will need to say that. If she isn't they will have to corroborate. I know her. I don't think she is lying.””
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-06-29/campaign-discredit-cassidy-hutchinson
1 hour ago, chare said:You don't find it concerning that Mr. Trump couldn't control his temper and threw his plate across the room? Did you find it concerning when Mr. Biden apparently couldn't control his temper after a press conference, and in a hot mic moment referred to Mr. Doocy as a stupid son of a *****?
I know that I find both concerning as neither should have allowed themselves to respond so childishly, regardless of how provoked they thought they might have been.
I do and think he should be charged with a crime. What else do you want?
I think he did break the law. I think he should be charged criminally. I think he needs to be judged by his peers.
Now what else is it that you are not comprehending?????
Oh one more time......
He should be criminally charged!!
Got it now??
Just now, Justlookingfornow said:I said he should be charged. For what he did with Pence. If he committed any crime, he should be charged. I even think he most likely did! So I'm not sure what it is you think I should say?
I don't care what you say or how you say it as those words reflect upon you. Perhaps you are unaware of the message that you are sending with your posts. You have established this anonymous online persona, does it reflect what you want it to about you and your thinking and reasoning skills?
8 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:And yet your arguments are weak, your logic is weak, your facts are weak and your debate and discussion skills are weak. It's not opposition that's the challenge, it's cogent thoughtful response that seems to elude you and your friend @MaybeeRN so much of the time.
Your fancy made up stories about steroids are weak. LOL
Got caught breaking your own rules did ya? I do not care what an anonymous non degree retired nurse says on an anonymous forum.
6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:I don't care what you say or how you say it as those words reflect upon you. Perhaps you are unaware of the message that you are sending with your posts. You have established this anonymous online persona, does it reflect what you want it to about you and your thinking and reasoning skills?
What? That I think Trump should be charged? Don't you?
Just now, Justlookingfornow said:What words? That I think Trump should be charged? Don't you?
4 minutes ago, Justlookingfornow said:Your fancy made up stories about steroids are weak. LOL
Got caught breaking your own rules did ya? I do not care what an anonymous non degree retired nurse says on an anonymous forum.
"Made up story" tells me that you are unaware that Trump's medical team advised the country of some of Trump's covid-19 pharmaceutical regime, which included corticosteroids. Perhaps your brief experience doesn't include much work with the drugs in that capacity. That's OK.
I'm not certain why you are blathering about with that rules silliness. This isn't a contest, it's a discussion board for health professionals and its clear that you don't care about much that is discussed here.
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A made up story about steroids? You ingnorance is in full flora now. You could have looked this up at any time you expressed that the idea was a lie. Too lazy? Don't know how to Google? What exactly is the problem?
195,000 ResultsAny time
Corticosteroid-induced psychosis repre- sents a spectrum of psychological changes that can occur at any time during treatment. Mild-to-moderate symptoms include agi- tation, anxiety, insomnia, irritability, and restlessness, whereas severe symptoms include mania, depression and psychosis.
For someone who is Just Looking Now, you should have had the curiosity to check yourself by now.