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if anyone has any kind words or practical, constructive advice to give - i'd be very grateful.
i am being eaten ALIVE at work right now.
yes, i have worked in various professions over many years and experienced a bit of cattiness here or there, but NOTHING, NOTHING even CLOSE to what i have experienced in just a few months of being a nurse!
i am an extremely smart person - i graduated nursing school with a 4.0. i killed myself to get that grade! however, i do not act like a know-it-all whatsoever. the nursing field i am in, is far removed from anything we really learned about in nursing school anyway -- so this is all really new for me and i know there is a LOT i need to learn, especially in terms of hands-on skills with equipment and such.
i am very, very humble --- i ask questions politely, i try to help out my coworkers whenever i can, i am eager to learn, i am friendly, i work EXTREMELY hard, i try to do everything perfectly. i give the best possible patient care i can give, i try to fit in, i am on committees, i have even volunteered for overtime a few times to help out the unit, or made schedule changes to help other people out. whenever anyone helps me, i thank them profusely.
basically, i bend over backwards each and every day to be a hardworking, pleasant coworker that anyone should be happy to work with. all i want in life, is to do a good job, get along pleasantly with everyone, and go home to my family in peace.
but some of the nurses i work with are just tearing me to shreds. some days, it seems like MOST of them are.
i am all for constructive criticism and tips, etc. --- i am willing and eager to take it, and will thank them for it ---
but what i can NOT stand any longer are the nasty individuals who think it is appropriate to ^)(* all over me day in and day out. some mornings (i work 12 hour nights, i am married with a young child, i am exhausted all the time) -- it is like i am bracing for impact when the nasty day nurse comes in and snaps at me 'you did this wrong, this wrong, this wrong, you should have done it this way and that way..."
the difficult thing is, there are maybe 100 nurses on my unit -- and all 100 of them have different opinions on what is the "proper" way to do things. as a new nurse, i am trying to learn from them -- but it is very difficult when i have busted my behind all night to try to do things perfectly the way my preceptor or some other nurses taught me --- only to have some OTHER nurse come on in the morning and nelly nitpick me to death over usually very insignificant things because SHEEEE does it a little differently.
it doesn't help that policies / protocols are often ambiguous or hard to find at a moment's notice and people all have their own ways of doing things --- i have even had other nurses tell me point blank that management protocols are 'wrong' and they 'never do it that way' and that i shouldn't, either!
even if i have done something wrong (never anything major), okay, fine, i accept that and i'm MORE than willing to learn --- but snapping my head off and treating me like garbage, embarassing me in front of patient family members or other staff, is just not appropriate.
i am not stupid! i am not a bad person! i am not a lazy person! i am the exact opposite of all those things! i am a human being! i am just a new nurse, and it would be nice if they could offer tips or correct me without talking down to me and treating me like scum.
there are many scenarios or procedures or even paperwork that, as a new person, i have simply never encountered before ... it would be nice if they didn't treat me like an idiot for not magically knowing everything.
i don't want to be off topic, but frankly it seems to be a big downfall for me in this case -- that i AM a very attractive person. i'm not super young, i'm in my 30s, but even though i usually try to be very plain and subdued (hair in a bun, with just some light lipstick and mascara, conservative and plain scrubs) -- i am a pretty girl, and people notice me. it is sad to say that, being in a field with women, a lot of them seem to be nasty and insecure enough to ONLY judge me based upon my looks, and they seem to treat me even WORSE because i am a younger, attractive woman.
they give the other new nurses a hard time, but i swear they are harder on me than anyone else. and heaven forbid i try to look extra nice --- it is like i am putting myself out there to be torn up and attacked without mercy. the other day i had the audacity to wear my hair down (many nurses do) and wear some different lipstick -- and EVERYONE had a comment about it, and one nurse seemed to make it her JOB for the night to make catty remarks, basically make fun of me as much as possible. then she and her friends would laugh really loudly and then whisper among each other and loudly make cryptic private jokes all night, within my hearing, so i'm pretty sure it was about me. they were also HORRIBLY tearing up another new staff member behind her back, i heard it all.
i wanted to crawl into a hole. that one nasty nurse even snidely told me to my face, that they make comments about my lipstick behind my back. i seriously don't understand it, because it's no different than any lipstick that any other people wear in the unit! FYI, the woman who was attacking me is older, sort of "manly" and doesn't wear a drop of makeup, and she is FAMOUS for being ridiculously blunt and rude.
they were also basically making fun of me because when i was younger, i worked in a salon. which is funny, because most of these women will pay tons of money to get their hair or nails done, they spend their time looking at fashion magazines ... but they will make fun of me and ostracize me because apparently they think i'm "lower" than them because i used to work in a salon?!?!?!?!? i try to joke back and play it off like it doesn't bother me, but it does.
even the younger nurses kind of leave me out ... most of them are a bit younger than me, and not married, or don't have children. they tend to be a bit more friendly and helpful (and there ARE some older nurses that are friendly and helpful as well) ---- but they often leave me out of conversations or just make it plain that i'm an "outsider" -- no matter how i try to join in. seriously, with young and old nurses alike --- there have been times when i've tried so hard to be friendly and join in the conversation, be polite and compliment them, say nice things to them ---- and they will flat out ignore me, not answer a question, act like they didn't even hear me, etc. like they can't give me the time of day!
i am just at the end of my rope sometimes.
i cry almost every day, i don't enjoy my days off at all because i am so stressed out,
i cry at work more than i care to admit,
i'm starting to hate nursing (i like the NURSING itself ... i just am starting to hate some of the coworkers, really)
and i'm starting to desperately plan ways i can get away from bedside nursing as soon as possible.
i know i should toughen up, try to let it slide off, ignore it, or whatever, but it's very hard.
being there is torture, i feel like i have to "hide" from some of the nasty nurses, just to avoid being torn up!
i had a very hard life growing up, i have been abused in every way possible and i suffer from extremely low self-esteem, depression, my panic attacks are now back again because of this ... i have PTSD from being abused in the past, etc. i am not very good about standing up for myself ... i will usually cry, but i'm afraid that if i try to stand up for myself i will flip out on someone, and that's also not acceptable. i don't think it would do any good really to tell management ... as we all know, management at ANY job basically doesn't care about cattiness or nasty behavior as long as people are doing their jobs ...
i just don't know what to do. i try to mind my own business and just be friendly, do my job ... but it just feels like everyone is out to get me.
the other day i had an admission, a patient with a usually lethal condition that i had never encountered before. no one expected this patient to even survive to get to our unit! well, we had just had 2 or 3 admissions right before this, and it was care time, so most of my coworkers were pretty much busy. i could have used some help, but i thought i was doing a good job, considering my lack of help and experience. well of course, after my one coworker basically lollygagged around and COULD have given me some suggestions (she was right there, we work on an open unit, she was right next to me) --- she waited until right before change of shift, reamed me out for not doing this or that (okay, i understand --- but do you have to snap at me?! and couldn't you have suggested that much earlier when you were sitting around watching me?!?!?!) and then watched as the day nurse came on and reamed me up one side and down the other.
it's bad enough i have this nonsense, but then i have problems with harassment at home by abusive family members ... and problems with my husband complaining about me being tired and stressed out ... my kid not being happy because i am tired and stressed out ... financial problems ... you name it.
i am just feeling stressed out, panicy, feeling like a failure all around.
i don't know how i will get through this.
i have always been a fighter and survived more things than people can even imagine.
seriously, when people find out the life i grew up with --- they are absolutely amazed i have come so far in life.
i am a good, kind, strong person inside.
i just wish my coworkers would see that and show me a little kindness and consideration.
JMHO the OP is a troll.
Not necesserly since I went through a very similar experience..I was paired up with a nasty and back stabbing preceptor who was a young jealous nurse who was constantly on a diet and hateful toward fresh new nurses..Have I stayed there and not get fired I probably would be a subject of bullying even more since a surgical attending took an interest me...but that is another story so things would be bad for me either way.I never told a story about this doc hitting on me since I dont like to brag about things like that.But my point is believe me when I tell you there are a lof of nurses who are hateful toward smart,attractive nurses such as OP herself that is why I believe her.
Girl, you need some friends! When I started on my unit I was headed down the same path. I felt that I was picked on more than all of the other new nurses (some must have had it worse than me, though, because they simply quit rather than deal with the constant harassment). I've always been a little bit brainy/nerdy and different. I felt I had little in common with anybody I worked with. Then I made a friend. If anything he was weirder than I was and more of an outcast, but he had 35+ years as a nurse and knew his stuff. People disliked him (he is moody and crotchety), but no one could fault his clinical judgement. He mentored me (grudgingly at first), and I gained some confidence through having his support. When I would tell him how some nurse gave me a hard time during report, he would let me know if I was in the right or not. Sometimes he would tell me stories about that mean nurse's own ineptitude when she (why is it always a SHE?) was just starting out--"Ha, ha! She's a fine one to talk!" The disrespect didn't go away overnight, but just having someone on my side took away most of the sting of it. Sometimes I would laugh while being berated just because I knew I'd be telling my buddy about it later and was imagining his reaction.
I also started to band together with the other new nurses. The turning point came when four of us went out to breakfast after work one day. When we got to talking, we realized that all of us were dealing with similar issues and mostly with the same darned people. One of us started doing impressions of the worst offenders, and she was spot on. I hadn't laughed so hard since I started that job. It sounds petty, but boy it felt good to laugh about those cranky byotches. I had blown them up in my head to be these powerful scary figures, but laughing about them with other young nurses really let me see them for the emotionally weak, pathetic characters they really were. It gave me one more coating of armor. Almost magically, the biggest bullies on my unit started to give me space.
I know that you are busy, that you have a husband and a child at home. But try, try, try to schedule a little time after work with friendly co-workers. You need an hour or two outside of work to decompress and talk about the job with others who can understand what you are going through. I'm not against the EAP thing or therapy if you need it, but that path sometimes makes me feel like a victim.
Anyway, good luck. You can get through this.
1- first of all, HUGS to you!
2- nurses for some idiotic reason are super threatened by new blood. i am currently in a preceptorship & while everyone is very nice to me,very few cliques on my unit, basically as a new RN it's impossible to win. one of my preceptors has 20+ years of experience the other 2-3. they are both great ladies, very friendly but the one with 20 years experience gets VERY ****** if i know anything, anything at all. i correctly read a moderately difficult EKG rhythm & got my a** chewed for it cause apparently "you alienate people with your know-it-all attitude." um, i didn't have an attitude at all about it, i'd just finished a critical care EKG course (that the unit required & paid for btw) & i knew the rhythm when asked, didn't say it in a snarky way or anything. guess they wanted the new RN to be a complete moron or else i am "alienating" my fellow coworkers. too bad i don't come to work for them huh...
the preceptor with 2-3 experience is also very nice, lovely person but double & triple charts like crazy so basically even when i have run over my charting over & over again she will find something else that i need to add which of course means that when i work with the older RN she is like, "why the h*** are you charting everything multiple times? such a time waster who taught you that!"
apparently i also am alienating people because when i have a free moment or two i am in my pts room chatting with them or getting them some ice water or massaging their feet..when i could be at the nursing station listening to so & so b**** about her husband (so not my style)
so basically, remember why you go to work: PATIENTS. they need you. you have the ability to provide them with your style of nursing & they benefit from it. who give a crap about others really, at the end of the day if you can go home & say: "Today i made a difference to someone." then that's what matters..
Hugs.I wholeheartedly second the advice to contact the EAP. These folks can help you learn to be more assertive. They can also help you monitor and maybe get treatment for PTSD and anything else that is bothering you.
Why do people act this way? In part, because they can. You have put your vulnerability out there for everyone to see. I'm not blaming you, just stating a reality. You care so much that it's being used against you. If someone corrects or criticizes something you did, say, "Thanks. I'll take that into consideration," and just leave it at that. Don't fall on your sword. Don't waste time feeling stupid. Don't argue or try to explain that So-and-so said you should do it another way. Just tell them you'll give it some thought and move on.
An old commercial said, "Never let 'em see you sweat." This is good advice. Do not wear your heart on your sleeve. If they want to get all snarky about your looks, let it roll off of you. You're not going to work to make friends. Of course, it would be nice to feel safe, but that will come.
Stop telegraphing your frustration and fragile state of mind. This is darn difficult, but it can be done. And stop looking for anyone else's approval. Mean people take that and run with it. They use your eagerness to please to beat you over the head.
Keep a small notebook with you and write down questions you have about patient care. Look them up in the P&P manual when you have a chance. Or come here and vent and ask away. Also, keep a record of small successes, things you are proud of, nice things patients say. Take the notebook out and read the happy things when you're feeling down.
Try to eat and sleep well. Do things away from the job that build your confidence and stamina. Talk to the EAP folks. Leave the job at the job.
It will gradually get better as you find your footing. Do not give your co-workers a vote on whether you're an okay person or not.
One tip: When someone says something really outrageous to you, just stop and say, "Excuse me?" like you can't believe what you just heard. Give them a good hard stare and let that phrase just hang there in space. A pretty high percentage of people will back-pedal at least a little after that.
I'm sorry you're going through such hard times, but you will grow through this. And you will be a good preceptor someday.
Let us know what happens.
More hugs.
It just has to be quoted because it's some of the best words of advice I've ever read.
Voice of experience & strength.
I am sorry you are experiencing this type of behavior & environment.
Learning to deal with it MOST effectively is key through rough times like these.
Have confidence you can do so & that such things do/will pass.
And along with a strong sense of self & assertiveness, if you're a positive person, take that positivity & run with it, even in the face of adversity much as you can. The negative ones can't stand that. :)
thank you to all the kind and thoughtful posters.
i know i am new to allnurses because i haven't posted that many times before, although i have been reading posts on here every now and then for the last couple of years to try to learn from other nurses -----
but i have been an active member of other online communities for over 10 years now, i have been a moderator on other sites for about 10 years, and have helped with online peer-led support groups for some desperately vulnerable and abused women. i have tons of online friends that i have met in real life --- and they know who i am, know that i am an honest and caring person, and they respect me. i have helped save LIVES just by caring and listening to them, and they have done the same for me. silly me, i thought a forum full of nurses - supposedly caring people - would be a good place to go for job-specific advice and support ... not bashing and more put-downs.
i just have to sit and laugh at anyone who would say anything bad about me, without even knowing me. if you met me in real life, you would feel like an idiot for even saying such a thing. people like that prove the point, that some nasty people will bash others on sight, without even trying to listen with an open mind and get to know them. i guess when you walk around with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. it also seems from reading a couple of other posts here and there, that some of these people like to play the 'toughie' around here. whatever, carry on with your bad self. sorry i was the newbie of the day for you to launch into!
i am sorry that their lives must be so sad and cynical, that they have nothing to do other than bash others who were reaching out sincerely for help and compassion. hopefully when YOU someday need kindness and a helping hand or a listening ear, someone will be more kind to you, than you have been to me.
i am someone who can not stand people who purposely waste their time on the computer all day by writing hurtful remarks to others, or making up fake stories, attacking people, and so on. my only hope by writing here, was to get some support from my peers --- other nurses.
i am grateful to those who took to the time to listen to me and i will not forget your kindness.
FWIW - I haven't doubted that you're the real deal and I hope that, if nothing else, you've found at least a crumb of comfort, and some appetizing food for thought to digest. I'm also glad to hear you report that you scheduled an appointment with EAP, because there is the best place to start as you work towards a long term solution to all this 'stuff' that right now feels so overwhelming to you.
Again, I wish you the very best.
Honestly, if you have PTSD that is easily triggered, working as a nurse with patient contact may not be what is best for your mental health. There will always be psych patients or psych family members that can be abusive. Other nurses are just people, there is always a survival of the fittest mentality. That being said I think from everything you've said as much as you tried to explain your merits, your looks and your intelligence, you see yourself as "not as strong" as everyone around you. The exudes "I am the weakling, sacrifice me for the sake of the pack". Now, let me point out, I'm trying to be honest as to how your posts are coming off, not attacking you or saying that it is true. I would go to work, ignore everyone else and do your job. Don't ask anyone how things are done, look up the policy. Then when someone berates you about how you did it you can say, "I'm sorry you feel that way this is how the policy states it should be done, would you like me to make a copy for you?" If something is not in the policy manual, consult your charge nurse. As hard as it is, it sounds like you have enough going on outside of work you should not be worried about what anyone at work says/thinks. I do recommend like some others that you seek counseling. Good luck and best wishes.
nursemike, ASN, RN
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I'm sorry for your troubles, and second some of the advice you have been given, especially re: EAP, and the site country mom linked looks promising. Miranda (rn/writer) pretty well said everything I could, but I wanted to make two points. One, the treatment you're receiving is not the norm in nursing. A little sniping and occassional eye-rolling, yes. People (not just women) can be "catty," although I really dislike that term, because my cats are usually not aggressive, and when they are, there's nothing passive about it. But I've caught myself doing it, and that isn't like me or remotely how I want to be. (I've also had things taken wrong--like a friend asking me what that sigh was about, when I wasn't even aware she was talking to me. So I blame it on COPD, because she'd be even more offended if I admitted I was still bummed about the Pirates trading Jack Wilson when she was evidently sharing something that really mattered to her...) But I really don't think such little irritants are a huge problem. We're all human, and our interactions aren't always by the textbook.
I have seen my wonderful, lovely co-workers close ranks and ostracize a nurse who was grossly negligent and unsafe (and stoned, it turns out) and I've seen them ride someone a little hard who needed to shape up. As a matter of fact, I was one of the ridden, although at no time did I feel that anyone wanted me to fail. A lucky few hit the floor as fully competent nurses, but most of us need mentoring, and some of that mentoring can be of the pedal-gluteal variety.
I've also seen, and continue to see, what might be called cliquishness, in the sense that some nurses are pals and some aren't. I don't consider what I've seen cliquish, but some people do have more affinity for some people than others. Having a circle of friends is only wrong if you're hostile to those outside the circle.
So, I don't think it's a big problem with nursing that newbies have to prove themselves, that some people like each other more than someone else, and that even the people we like can get on each other's nerves from time to time.
We aren't angels of mercy--we sweat and fart and cuss just like normal people, we just have to do it in the med room.
Honestly, I've never seen the sort of pathological environment described in the OP, but I've seen that sort of thing written about enough here to believe it does happen. I imagine a lot of it may have to do with stress. On my unit, our max ratio is 6:1, and you can see people get a bit testy when they have a tough team. Give us 10, of similar acuity, and I can well imagine it could get ugly. And, of course, ratios aren't the only stressors.
Which brings me, at last, to my second point. In such an environment, your options come down to fight or flight. Get out of Dodge and find a better place to work (not so easy, these days) or overcome the obstacles. The latter option is not going to be a picnic, but it isn't insurmountable. Assertiveness is a skill that can be learned. Not easily. Part of it, I think, is anger management.
I think people who are bullied have more anger than they want to admit. I've been in that position, and it takes a lot of practice to find a middle-ground between doormat and disgruntled postal worker. If, like me, you're inclined to bottle things up and blame yourself first, it's tempting to feel like if you ever let go, you'll start shooting people. Or at least cuss them out real good. But it is possible to stand up for yourself without going berserk, to express your annoyance before it becomes rage.
I went through a period of what I now recognize as dysthymia--mild, chronic depression that never came close to suicidal, but took a lot of the joy out of my life. One day, I was feeling sorry for myself and wondering what was wrong with me, and I started getting mad that everything was so screwed up and threw my Bic lighter across the room, and when it hit the wall it broke with a little "pop" (exploded, but not in flames), and with that "pop" my depression lifted. A little anger can be motivating. It's tempting to think we're civilized people in a civilized world, and sometimes we can be, but we're still animals, and sometimes we really do have to fight for our lives. All that adrenaline and all that reptile-brain thinking is there for a reason. You can use it without letting it control you.
Finally, (hurray!) if you choose to fight, know your enemy. Ultimately, the only person you have much control over is yourself, but that does not mean you are your enemy. THEY are your enemy. Being mad at yourself is wasted energy. And if things are as described, the management who allows a situation like that is part of the enemy. IMHO--well, IMO--you should formally complain about the way your are being treated, and be prepared to take the fight to court, if necessary. Your employer has a moral and legal obligation not to allow horizontal violence, but they can usually evade at least the legal obligation if they "don't know" it's happening.
Sorry to be so long-winded. I think I may have more issues than I realized. My sincere best wishes--now go kick some butts.