Is someone justified in harassing someone to tell them if they got vaccinated or not?

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Say you got vaccinated and choose not to stand in the middle of the street to tell the world. Yet friend or coworker keeps nagging you to tell them if you did or not 

11 hours ago, vetpharmtech said:

Absolutely not. I trust efficacy of Covid vaccine, but I also believe in freedom of conscience. We have to take care of our own health after all. We cannot rely on other people's compliance for our well-being. Shaming them into vaccination is not a way to go.

Where stupidity exists, I think you lose every right in the book! 

Unless you actually have brain damage, I have no sympathy for people who absolutely know they are stupid because of the years of pain they have caused themselves and others from their past decisions but pride and factors like racism or elitism etc cause you to endanger people! 

Why don't you smoke in public spaces? I pretty much think it's mandatory! 

I look at Covid as a supply chain for a historical line of grief from long term effects and when the majority of anti vaxxers are doing it for religious reasons or political issues, couching it in cowardice and independence, I draw the line! 

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49 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Where stupidity exists, I think you lose every right in the book! 

Unless you actually have brain damage, I have no sympathy for people who absolutely know they are stupid because of the years of pain they have caused themselves and others from their past decisions but pride and factors like racism or elitism etc cause you to endanger people! 

Why don't you smoke in public spaces? I pretty much think it's mandatory! 

I look at Covid as a supply chain for a historical line of grief from long term effects and when the majority of anti vaxxers are doing it for religious reasons or political issues, couching it in cowardice and independence, I draw the line! 

Well, Christian politicians are powerful, and there are many of them in the White House. I feel like the war against Covid vaccine just begins. Now with Delta variant, it is difficult to predict what the future will hold.

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2 hours ago, vetpharmtech said:

Well, Christian politicians are powerful, and there are many of them in the White House. I feel like the war against Covid vaccine just begins. Now with Delta variant, it is difficult to predict what the future will hold.

Exactly! 

You endanger my family and my friends lives and in no uncertain terms, I will let you know! 

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2 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Exactly! 

You endanger my family and my friends lives and in no uncertain terms, I will let you know! 

Well, you are the first line of patient advocacy. Only you can deal with Christian politicians. After all, nursing is not only about patient care (although it should be so), is it? Politics also infiltrates in this field.

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This comment section is wild.

To answer the question: no, it's never morally justified to harass someone into giving private health information. That doesn't mean they won't.

They can ask the question, and you are free to decline to answer.

They can do with that answer whatever they will - be it drop you as a friend, or continue to badger you. As a result of their actions at that point, you can decide what action you'd like to take - stop answering the phone call of the person, look them dead in the eyes and go mute when they ask you again, etc. 

I don't volunteer my vaccination status and the reason for that is nobody's business. 

 

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Maybe your insurance company will be more persuasive!

For non vaxxers, this is coming your way and I bet that the first $1000 out of pocket, people will be scrambling for vaccines, 

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Heard an amazing excuse yesterday from an anti vaxxer, She said, that it's the vaccinated people's fault that the variant is making such an impact, because the vaccinated are entitled and have taken their masks off, infecting everyone else. They should be wearing their masks to protect the un vaccinated! 

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7 hours ago, K. Everly said:

They can do with that answer whatever they will - be it drop you as a friend, or continue to badger you. As a result of their actions at that point, you can decide what action you'd like to take - stop answering the phone call of the person, look them dead in the eyes and go mute when they ask you again, etc. 

I don't volunteer my vaccination status and the reason for that is nobody's business. 

All of this will be moot once the mandates come.  Nobody will have to ask anyone about their special ideas/opinions and when it comes to vaccination status. It will be a comfort to know we are all safer when healthcare workers are mandated to be vaccinated...and it will happen in more places than anyone thinks. The powers that be have waited long enough for the 'good graces' of people to just do the right thing and vaccinate on their own...soon that choice to not vaccinate will be gone....that is if you want to keep your job.    

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8 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Maybe your insurance company will be more persuasive!

For non vaxxers, this is coming your way and I bet that the first $1000 out of pocket, people will be scrambling for vaccines, 

It will be interesting to see how this develops.

If you elect not to be vaccinated then it is reasonable that you should also assume some of the cost of screening testing (if required by employers, travel, etc). If your employer mandates vaccination or weekly testing then insurance companies (incld Medicare/aid) should NOT be responsible for that cost, and there is precedent for that. 

It becomes more difficult when you consider moving symptomatic testing/treatment cost to the individual as this could result in delays in testing and treatment that would have detrimental impact on the individual and the community, especially in low socioeconomic areas. A deductible might be a reasonable middle ground, though it is a drop in the bucket when considering the costs associated with hospitalization. It may be a financial pressure to be vaccinated which is not a bad thing. 

I posted in another thread that I actually made some headway with a pro-diseaser by making a financial case that all of our tax money and insurance premiums are funding the enormous healthcare cost of this pandemic: there are currently 40,000 people hospitalized with covid at and average cost per hospitalization of $64,500 for 8.5 days. If we take a conservative estimate of 85% of that 40,000 is unvaccinated that makes 32,000 @ $64,500/8.5 days. Today's unvaccinated cost of hospitalization per day is $242.8 million. A quarter of a billion dollars a day. 

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On 7/29/2021 at 6:40 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

That small segment of society that might harbor such tendencies is not in control of the federal government.  I am unaware of any state leadership that might have membership in that small group that you mention, but there very certainly are some authoritarian leaning leaders in state politics. 

 

I am vaccinated and proud of it - but I must point out that as we are now contemplating required (forced) vaccination. The federal government is not the one you seem to have such distain for. 

 

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2 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:

I am vaccinated and proud of it - but I must point out that as we are now contemplating required (forced) vaccination. The federal government is not the one you seem to have such distain for. 

 

I'm not certain what point you are trying to make. I don't have disdain for government...I believe that government is necessary for We the People to thrive.  I believe in government.  

Perhaps you are referencing my disdain for the previous, corrupt and incompetent administration.  Trump's administration was a disaster and it will take decades to recover and repair the damage.

Mandated vaccinating is necessary when half the people won't do what's right voluntarily. 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I'm not certain what point you are trying to make. I don't have disdain for government...I believe that government is necessary for We the People to thrive.  I believe in government.  

Perhaps you are referencing my disdain for the previous, corrupt and incompetent administration.  Trump's administration was a disaster and it will take decades to recover and repair the damage.

Mandated vaccinating is necessary when half the people won't do what's right voluntarily. 

I actually agree with you on most points 

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