(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Such is the life of a borderline, autistic, ADHD individual. I don't need very much in order to maintain happiness.
Is this (borderline, autistic, ADHD) why you will not take the vaccine? I guess you require little to have happiness. hope this continues for you. Everyone deserves happiness.
(all I want is to hug my grandchildren. One dropped by yesterday and I was thrilled to stand the social distance and see him. !!I) Our city is opening the restaurants/bars again -- despite the largest number of deaths in a single day yesterday and the new variant. I wish, if we have to open something up it is the schools as education/being a child, is so much more important that having a drink at a bar, IMO. But I live in a city of 100,000 that wants alcohol over education.
Is this (borderline, autistic, ADHD) why you will not take the vaccine? I guess you require little to have happiness. hope this continues for you. Everyone deserves happiness.
(all I want is to hug my grandchildren. One dropped by yesterday and I was thrilled to stand the social distance and see him. !!I) Our city is opening the restaurants/bars again -- despite the largest number of deaths in a single day yesterday and the new variant. I wish, if we have to open something up it is the schools as education/being a child, is so much more important that having a drink at a bar, IMO. But I live in a city of 100,000 that wants alcohol over education.
No, my diagnosis is Autism (formerly and still Asperger's on ICD-10, but DSMV did away with Asperger's and ADHD F90.2. I have never been treated. I agree that getting kids back in school should take priority over almost everything else. My "Barrington plus" approach would be to offer Televideo to all teachers over 60 or with comorbidities (they would have a teachers Aid or two in the classroom and would appear via monitor). Younger, healthier teachers would be in person. I'm pretty happy in life as long as I get my morning workout, my Battlefield 4 time, my monthly hair cut and once monthly intimacy with my SO. That's pretty much all I've needed for the last 25 plus years (obviously Battlefield 4 has only been out since 2016, before that it World of Warcraft and other games).
A point need not be from a “scholarly” source to be valid. No scholarly source would disagree with the numbers for Belgium or Italy. I reject the thesis of argument from authority as having more intrinsic validity (or less). I also literally never use sarcasm not even in daily life.
Specializes in Mental health, substance abuse, geriatrics, PCU.
1 hour ago, myoglobin said:
A point need not be from a “scholarly” source to be valid. No scholarly source would disagree with the numbers for Belgium or Italy. I reject the thesis of argument from authority as having more intrinsic validity (or less). I also literally never use sarcasm not even in daily life.
And I reject the "point" posted on a politically biased, close minded, bigoted website.
Back to your point though of lockdowns being counter productive to the pandemic, it may very well be so just because overall compliance is an issue. People still have free will and when they're "told" to do something they usually don't want to do it. People don't even want to put a simple mask on much less stay home. I read in my local newspaper that 1.3 million people traveled by air over the Christmas holiday, the most since the pandemic began, after all the warnings to limit travel for the holidays.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
5 hours ago, myoglobin said:
A point need not be from a “scholarly” source to be valid. No scholarly source would disagree with the numbers for Belgium or Italy. I reject the thesis of argument from authority as having more intrinsic validity (or less). I also literally never use sarcasm not even in daily life.
I didn't accuse you of using sarcasm, did you misunderstand? Reliability and accuracy of citations matter, we learned that in college, right?
Several practical measures contributed to Australia's success, experts say. The country chose to quickly and tightly seal its borders, a step some others, notably in Europe, did not take. Health officials rapidly built up the manpower to track down and isolate outbreaks. And unlike the U.S. approach, all of Australia's states either shut their domestic borders or severely limited movement for interstate and, in some cases, intrastate travelers.
Interesting events regarding the delay of the second dose of Pfizer vaccine. Now we will have people who initially weighed risk vs benefit banking on receiving their second shot which showed high levels of immunity 95% or greater from sarscov2 virus in research trials who will now have reduced immunity with only receiving the first shot which some sources show to have 50% or lower immunity? Anyone else think this is a bit alarming change of events?
Reminds me of when the pandemic first hit with the surgeon general coming on tv and telling the public “masks will not help” (me screaming at tv In disbelief) and then the next week “you must wear a mask” (well duh thank god they are saying this now) and at first “ibuprofen is shown to worsen covid” and the next week “studies show ibuprofen can help against covid” it was like a change of facts every week and now ...same with the vaccinations ... a new reality again, the studies accounted for efficacy of the 2 step vaccination based on receiving the second dose within 3 weeks and now this article states that against doctors concerns officials say people will not be able to get their second shot in a timely manner and now it’s okay to wait 3 MONTHS or longer for the second dose. Wonder what they will say next week ?
It’s concerning that people were counting on agreeing to an unapproved emergent new vaccine with at least the peace of mind from studies that they would have a high probability of being protected with both doses and now....? Officials are playing by their own rules yet again, against science yet in the name of science. Super confusing times. We shall see how this plays out I guess. Those of you who don’t understand skepticism aren’t paying close enough attention I guess... ?
Feel free to see some examples that show what I am talking about above if you haven’t been following...
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read this quick article from a few weeks earlier (there are tons like this, most of us have heard this, but a quick example)
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
44 minutes ago, ohbejoyful said:
Interesting events regarding the delay of the second dose of Pfizer vaccine. Now we will have people who initially weighed risk vs benefit banking on receiving their second shot which showed high levels of immunity 95% or greater from sarscov2 virus in research trials who will now have reduced immunity with only receiving the first shot which some sources show to have 50% or lower immunity? Anyone else think this is a bit alarming change of events?
Reminds me of when the pandemic first hit with the surgeon general coming on tv and telling the public “masks will not help” (me screaming at tv In disbelief) and then the next week “you must wear a mask” (well duh thank god they are saying this now) and at first “ibuprofen is shown to worsen covid” and the next week “studies show ibuprofen can help against covid” it was like a change of facts every week and now ...same with the vaccinations ... a new reality again, the studies accounted for efficacy of the 2 step vaccination based on receiving the second dose within 3 weeks and now this article states that against doctors concerns officials say people will not be able to get their second shot in a timely manner and now it’s okay to wait 3 MONTHS or longer for the second dose. Wonder what they will say next week ?
It’s concerning that people were counting on agreeing to an unapproved emergent new vaccine with at least the peace of mind from studies that they would have a high probability of being protected with both doses and now....? Officials are playing by their own rules yet again, against science yet in the name of science. Super confusing times. We shall see how this plays out I guess. Those of you who don’t understand skepticism aren’t paying close enough attention I guess... ?
Feel free to see some examples that show what I am talking about above if you haven’t been following...
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read this quick article from a few weeks earlier (there are tons like this, most of us have heard this, but a quick example)
Interesting events regarding the delay of the second dose of Pfizer vaccine. Now we will have people who initially weighed risk vs benefit banking on receiving their second shot which showed high levels of immunity 95% or greater from sarscov2 virus in research trials who will now have reduced immunity with only receiving the first shot which some sources show to have 50% or lower immunity? Anyone else think this is a bit alarming change of events?
Reminds me of when the pandemic first hit with the surgeon general coming on tv and telling the public “masks will not help” (me screaming at tv In disbelief) and then the next week “you must wear a mask” (well duh thank god they are saying this now) and at first “ibuprofen is shown to worsen covid” and the next week “studies show ibuprofen can help against covid” it was like a change of facts every week and now ...same with the vaccinations ... a new reality again, the studies accounted for efficacy of the 2 step vaccination based on receiving the second dose within 3 weeks and now this article states that against doctors concerns officials say people will not be able to get their second shot in a timely manner and now it’s okay to wait 3 MONTHS or longer for the second dose. Wonder what they will say next week ?
It’s concerning that people were counting on agreeing to an unapproved emergent new vaccine with at least the peace of mind from studies that they would have a high probability of being protected with both doses and now....? Officials are playing by their own rules yet again, against science yet in the name of science. Super confusing times. We shall see how this plays out I guess. Those of you who don’t understand skepticism aren’t paying close enough attention I guess... ?
Feel free to see some examples that show what I am talking about above if you haven’t been following...
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read this quick article from a few weeks earlier (there are tons like this, most of us have heard this, but a quick example)
I think it's ridiculous that a nurse would have unrealistic expectations that a body of knowledge can develop overnight. Yes, Fauci made a mistake in his comment about masks and I don't think he is willing to come out and say that he wanted every mask available at the time to go to health care workers because the public would have panicked. It could have been said much better. And he has been inaccurate in his number of estimated deaths by the end of 2020 - we are actually over his estimate. Again, he underestimated the stupidity of the American people. We have to do the best with the information we have at the time and getting any vaccine in people will help. If the Trump administration had paid any attention to the pandemic handbook written for just this situation, we would be able to get more vaccine into people more efficiently instead of every state trying to create the expertise for the job on the spot. The wheel has already been invented here. That's why any pandemic should be taken seriously from in the early onset - because there are things we don't know and will just have to wait for the evidence, and especially when the government deliberately ignores and distorts the evidence.
Interesting events regarding the delay of the second dose of Pfizer vaccine.
It’s concerning that people were counting on agreeing to an unapproved emergent new vaccine with at least the peace of mind from studies that they would have a high probability of being protected with both doses and now....? Officials are playing by their own rules yet again, against science yet in the name of science. Super confusing times. We shall see how this plays out I guess. Those of you who don’t understand skepticism aren’t paying close enough attention I guess... ?
what do you guys think?
What do I think? If I’m honest I think that you are looking hard for reasons to become alarmed.
I certainly am paying attention but perhaps drawing different conclusions than you appear to be. I saw the BBC article minutes after it was posted.
The UK have chosen a slightly different path than the countries in the EU. They approved the Pfizer vaccine before the EMA did and now I think that they’ve recently approved the AstraZeneca vaccine. Also ahead of the EU. They are struggling at the moment, especially as I understand it in the east/southeast. That includes the populous city of London where I think at least three hospitals are officially operating at ”disaster level”. This is from memory so take the exact numbers with a grain of salt. I think the change of the vaccine schedule is partly born from desperation and hoping that getting a first dose to a maximum amount of people will save more lives than fully immunizing a smaller number. But that’s just my guess. And I personally think there is risk involved in this choice. But again, just my opinion.
Your news10 link wouldn’t load for me. Are you saying that you are about to delay the second dose in the US as well, or is it only the thing happening in the UK that has you so concerned?
What was your reason to include the third link? It appears to describe the fact that it has been well established that with vaccines that require two doses, it is a common problem that some people do not follow through with the second dose. And the author suggests several measures that can be taken in order to increase the chance that people also get the second dose.
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Is this (borderline, autistic, ADHD) why you will not take the vaccine? I guess you require little to have happiness. hope this continues for you. Everyone deserves happiness.
(all I want is to hug my grandchildren. One dropped by yesterday and I was thrilled to stand the social distance and see him. !!I) Our city is opening the restaurants/bars again -- despite the largest number of deaths in a single day yesterday and the new variant. I wish, if we have to open something up it is the schools as education/being a child, is so much more important that having a drink at a bar, IMO. But I live in a city of 100,000 that wants alcohol over education.