(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
I did read up and talked to people more educated than myself. I get this vaccine on Dec 31 after work. I am off the next day so if I have some side effects I can rest. Of the people I KNOW who got this vaccine, the main side effects were headache, soreness at the site and mild flu-like complaints. No one has had a single complaint more than that.
I want to protect myself and my patients and particularly, family, who are not able to get vaccinated yet, so off I go. I hope to be able to spread my (hopefully, good) experience details regarding the vaccination and encourage others.
Be safe. And sincere best regards. #2020yearofthenurse
Hearsay is ALWAYS the best foundation for spreading misinformation. I would definately say what you stated here is substantial evidence that Covid is being attributed to deaths unrelated to the virus.
At least everyone seems to still be in agreement that the vaccine should not be mandatory which was the real point for the person starting the thread. That is at least something to agree on.
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33 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
At least everyone seems to still be in agreement that the vaccine should not be mandatory which was the real point for the person starting the thread. That is at least something to agree on.
I would completely understand and expect it to be mandate by healthcare facilities for their employees by the end of 2021. Much like the flu shot for many places.
Also according to Johns Hopkins my risk of dying from covid-19 risk of death is about 1.7per 1000000 https://covid19risktools.com:8443/:
Based on the information you have provided, the tool estimates that you have 0.19 (95% CI: 0.18 - 0.21 ) times the risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to the average risk for the US population.
Based on the estimated risk, you are categorized to be at Closer to or lower than average risk based on the follwing chart:
Fold-RiskRisk CategoryColor Code
<= 1.2Close to or lower than average
> 1.2 to <= 2Moderately elevated
> 2 to <= 5Substantially elevated
> 5 to <= 10High
> 10Very High
Further, based on the information available from pandemic projections in your state of residence, the tool estimates an absolute rate of mortality of 1.7 (95% CI: 1.2 - 2.4 ) per 100000 individuals in subgroups of the population with a similar risk profile to yours during the period of 12/12/2020 - 01/01/2021. This estimate is calculated based on the CDC's Ensemble mortality forecast data..
*95% CI: Error bounds with 95% confidence.
This compares to a generic risk of dying from heart disease of at least 114 per 100000 per year https://www.CDC.gov/heartdisease/men.htm and yet I don't take a statin, ASA or even go to an MD for a regular physical. One could conclude that there are many, many more important activities for my health than taking the covid vaccine.
okay I find this mildly irrelevant - yes of course other things could happen to any of us as humans dwelling the world -- a lot of those things are beyond our control -- car accidents/getting struck by lightening ETC. if there is anything we could do to gain some shred of control I feel it would be wise to do so- especially when it will also benefit the greater good (herd immunity, eradicaiton) ....like getting the COVID vaccine ... wearing your seatbelt - maybe don't play in a field in a thunder-storm etc...
okay I find this mildly irrelevant - yes of course other things could happen to any of us as humans dwelling the world -- a lot of those things are beyond our control -- car accidents/getting struck by lightening ETC. if there is anything we could do to gain some shred of control I feel it would be wise to do so- especially when it will also benefit the greater good (herd immunity, eradicaiton) ....like getting the COVID vaccine ... wearing your seatbelt - maybe don't play in a field in a thunder-storm etc...
The point is that most people under 65 with no major comorbidities are more likely to doe of almost anything (which kills a goodly number of people) such as heart disease, or smoking than they are covid. I could eat vegetarian, take a statin, and do a less stressful sedentary job and probably exponentially increase my odds of living an additional year verses getting a covid vaccine. Consider smoking for example the CDC estimates that around 478,000 people in the United States die each year from smoking much greater than covid https://www.CDC.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm with at least 40,000 deaths from second hand smoke (just from lung cancer and heart disease second hand smoking deaths alone). However, no one is seriously considering making smoking illegal let alone shutting down our economy. Consider that in the last decade using these numbers there would have been well over four million deaths from smoking.
The point is that most people under 65 with no major comorbidities are more likely to doe of almost anything (which kills a goodly number of people) such as heart disease, or smoking than they are covid. I could eat vegetarian, take a statin, and do a less stressful sedentary job and probably exponentially increase my odds of living an additional year verses getting a covid vaccine. Consider smoking for example the CDC estimates that around 478,000 people in the United States die each year from smoking much greater than covid https://www.CDC.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/index.htm with at least 40,000 deaths from second hand smoke (just from lung cancer and heart disease second hand smoking deaths alone). However, no one is seriously considering making smoking illegal let alone shutting down our economy. Consider that in the last decade using these numbers there would have been well over four million deaths from smoking.
once again - missing the point - and regarding smoking you can make the choice to not smoke and to limit your time around second hand smoke and other environmental toxins ... just like you can also make a choice to wear a mask, socially distance, and get a vaccine, not pushing vaccines on people here but your comparisons are not relevant.
Either we have the lowest influenza activity in the last 100years or thousands of cases of influenza and their deaths are being counted as Covid https://www.CDC.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm . Also on the two occasions that I had confirmed Covid 19 I asked the provider/MD if I happened to die from an MI, stroke, or pneumonia if I would be counted as a Covid death (I was minimally symptomatic). I was told "absolutely" since it would be impossible to ascertain that Covid did not play "some role" in my morbidity or mortality. I have talked to former ICU coworkers and they advise that even clients with DNR's who are withdrawal (from vents) for other conditions (such as stroke/MI) are being counted as Covid deaths if they are positive (and everyone in the ICU are tested). This is Florida so it that is happening here I cannot imagine what states like California are doing.
when you had confirmed COVID-19 -- and if you had an MI/CVA/PNA -- yes it in fact legitimately would be impossible to ascertain COVID-19 as cause of death vs. the other 3 --- because as I am sure you know COVID-19 causes a hypercoagulable state - among coagulopathies which can cause PE/MI/CVA- fair question is - if you were not COVID+ would said MI/CVA ever have occurred? --- that hard to say. But with COVID having the potential to lead to a potentially lethal bilateral lower lobe PNA I think its fair to say that COVID-19 is cause of death if PNA occurred leading to hypoxemic resp failure.
once again - missing the point - and regarding smoking you can make the choice to not smoke and to limit your time around second hand smoke and other environmental toxins ... just like you can also make a choice to wear a mask, socially distance, and get a vaccine, not pushing vaccines on people here but your comparisons are not relevant.
My point is that almost half a million die each year from a "hobby" (and injure and kill others who happen to be in their presence like kids) and yet no one seriously considers making smoking illegal. Yet in many states we have driven an entire sector of the economy into the ground (via mandatory closures) for a condition that kills many less. Not only that the average age of death from smoking is less than that for covid (on average).
My point is that almost half a million die each year from a "hobby" (and injure and kill others who happen to be in their presence like kids) and yet no one seriously considers making smoking illegal. Yet in many states we have driven an entire sector of the economy into the ground (via mandatory closures) for a condition that kills many less. Not only that the average age of death from smoking is less than that for covid (on average).
- well the issue to criminalize smoking is entirely a political one - and it is heavily taxed equaling state and federal revenue - also smoking does not cause death within weeks/months even years the way COVID would ...
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10 hours ago, myoglobin said:
My point is that almost half a million die each year from a "hobby" (and injure and kill others who happen to be in their presence like kids) and yet no one seriously considers making smoking illegal. Yet in many states we have driven an entire sector of the economy into the ground (via mandatory closures) for a condition that kills many less. Not only that the average age of death from smoking is less than that for covid (on average).
No one will likely make it compulsory until there is enough vaccine for everyone. Why force someone to get a vaccine when there aren't enough doses for the people who want it? Even then I say don't make it mandatory. Just remove all restrictions and lets the chips fall where they may. Of course, I don't get much say in the matter.
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Be safe. And sincere best regards. #2020yearofthenurse