11/7: what I learned this week: Trey Anastasio wants to weigh your head; Cerner is stupid

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I have an absolute passion for discharge teaching, especially with new meds and diagnoses.

Sometimes compliance really does depend on convenience.

Cerner is stupid. A one-time stat dose of a med IV will cancel itself and mark itself as complete when that dose isn't given within an hour. The problem with this is if the dose is ordered in the ED and isn't immediately given because the patient needs fluid boluses, dopamine and atropine first, they come up to the floor and it looks like either someone discontinued the med, or administered the med. If anyone less neurotic than me got this med, they wouldn't have spent the half hour I spent going between ED nurse, hospitalist and pharmacy trying to figure out what happened.

Had a patient who is fairly new to alcoholism. New enough that no real damage has been done yet. He came in HR in 30s, SBP in 60s, after falling out in the kitchen. He is the first alcoholic patient I've had that I genuinely believe may be quitting. He's been scared sober.

After sitting on it for nearly two years, I have finally decided on grad school, which one and how to approach it. What I learned from this decision is that I'm probably really going to miss my unit. It's the most chaotic, busy unit in the hospital, and some days are soul crushing, and yet, I just love the people (usually).

If you have an LPN doing an admission assessment, first, make sure it got signed by an RN, but also, actually make sure what was charted is accurate.

If a cardiologist blows off intervention on a patient who has had a ridiculous number of 4-9 second pauses over several days, that patient may become brady and hypotension to a dangerous degree, right before shift change, causing her to need a temporary pacer before she gets the permanent one she was scheduled to get the next day.

AND, if that same cardiologist blows off an intermittent heart rate in the 200s for two days before deciding cardizem might be nice, probably an incident report would be a good idea.

AND, my favorite, most helpful cardiologist has left my favorites list and gotten onto my ess list.

When the generally lazy CN actually tries to "help", she may actually make things SO MUCH WORSE.

When upper management is entirely made of nurses, I genuinely believe this contributes to a wonderful work environment.

Did I mention I love patient teaching?

Four discharges going in simultaneously for four impatient patients makes for a horrible day. HORRIBLE. And of course, discharging 4 means more terribleness. Brace yourselves. Admissions are coming.

When your patient has been saying literally the entire day that she will sign out AMA if she is not discharged, expect her to pull a bait and switch while her husband talks to you at the nurses' station. Also, expect to get security involved when you can't actually find her anywhere. Expect her to be hiding around the corner of the building chain smoking, literally leaning on the "no smoking sign". Expect her to flip out when she thinks security is approaching to force her to go back inside. And then expect your coworkers to be confused when you tell them you had to find her to get her IV out. Dude, I'm not giving her free access to a vein.

(Also expect that to happen at shift change as well.)

Benzos and opiates can metabolize so quickly that ED doses may not pop a UDS positive that evening. I didn't even want to send the UDS to lab because the most likely meds to pop positive on, she'd just gotten in the ED. Unless, of course, grandma is doing coke, meth and ecstasy.

I'm really lacking patience for a couple of posters in the controversy vaccination thread.

Some patients have no problem whatsoever being really nasty to everyone EXCEPT their nurse when they feel the nurse should have done something that that nurse chose not to do. For instance, patient complained of headache and noted there was a nitro patch on, with no order to continue nitro patches. Removed it, waited a little while to see if that worked. The tech goes in and the patient tore him a new one over not getting pain medication. Every time I went into this room, the patient was sound asleep. She got medication and tea with her 2200 meds, and hers were given last because she stayed asleep. When I woke her up, not one single complaint. It's just weird.

I'm incredibly disappointed when floor nurses identify a need, and case management blows it off.

Got a song stuck in my head. It's not all instrumental, I promise. And the lyrics are.... Well, you'll hear. Enjoy.

Phish - "Weigh" (HD) - YouTube

Specializes in Hospice.

I learned that a 15 y/o girl that snorts 12 Norco, has a BAL of 246 and high on K2 is going to make my top 10 list of worst patients ever!

I also learned that a 15 y/o girl on said substances will require 50 mg of Benadryl, 5mg of Haldol, and 8 mg of Ativan before I can even go check on my other patients.

Specializes in ICU.
I learned that a 15 y/o girl that snorts 12 Norco, has a BAL of 246 and high on K2 is going to make my top 10 list of worst patients ever!

I also learned that a 15 y/o girl on said substances will require 50 mg of Benadryl, 5mg of Haldol, and 8 mg of Ativan before I can even go check on my other patients.

Did she tell you what all's compatible in the same syringe? That's my pet peeve. Had one once who refused to get her meds unless I gave them all together. Just so you guys know, Benadryl, Phenergan, and Dilaudid can all be drawn up in the same syringe. :yawn:

Specializes in critical care.
I learned that a 15 y/o girl that snorts 12 Norco, has a BAL of 246 and high on K2 is going to make my top 10 list of worst patients ever!

I also learned that a 15 y/o girl on said substances will require 50 mg of Benadryl, 5mg of Haldol, and 8 mg of Ativan before I can even go check on my other patients.

Holy ****!

Specializes in critical care.

I have learned I have no patience for people who believe they can stop the flu and asthma attacks within minutes of taking vitamin C. I need to step away from the interwebs, let night shift deal with it. [emoji34]

Specializes in Hospice.
Did she tell you what all's compatible in the same syringe? That's my pet peeve. Had one once who refused to get her meds unless I gave them all together. Just so you guys know, Benadryl, Phenergan, and Dilaudid can all be drawn up in the same syringe. :yawn:

No, but she was calling us every name in the book, and telling us she was going to whoop our butts when she got out of her restraints. Grandma just sat in the corner crying, no mom or dad ever came that night. Sad, sad, sad, you can almost see where this girl is going to end up.

Specializes in Med/Surg/ICU/Stepdown.
I hate Cerner, too!!!! Extra exclamation points needed! It's the worst system I've used, hands down. My PRN job uses it and it's just so cumbersome and difficult to chart in.

I'm going to have to give you a hallelujah here. I don't mind stupid people quite so much - it's the smart ones that know absolutely nothing about medicine and aren't receptive to anything I'm saying that drive me up the wall. They are clearly intelligent enough to understand, but just don't give a crap, and I find that very frustrating because I'm not just talking to hear myself talk!!! Ugh.

I'm sorry. This is why I could never work somewhere without all the monitors. Kudos to you for working in that sort of environment, really, because it would absolutely drive me nuts. I have never had a patient code unexpectedly on me as a nurse, only as a CNA (knocks on wood) because they're on continuous monitoring and I only have two of them to watch. I'd say I've gotten pulses back in at least 75% of my codes. There's something to be said for working somewhere that you can see it coming, and you have at least six people in the room, the crash cart present, the pads hooked up, and the physician on the way before the patient even loses a pulse, which you figure out pretty quick because someone's probably standing there with a finger on the carotids - and that's only if we weren't able to push something to ward it off first.

Not saying they live to discharge, because they don't, but we have way more people die because we withdraw on them than people who die during a code. It's still sad, but it's not unexpected, and that really makes a difference for the families.

Honestly, monitoring wouldn't have saved these individuals one way or the other. They both were on remote telemetry (the 3rd one was not). No calls were received for days prior to the code, and certainly not ON the day of the code. Our first was PEA, the second? V fib. Not. A. Single. Call.

Code Blue was called ... RRT team on arrival immediately. Valiant efforts, for sure. But no success.

I don't know that I deserve kudos. Kudos would be if I had caught the precipitating factor before hand. Unfortunately, we'll never know what happened. But two in a week? ... major suckage.

Thank you for the support. In a weird way, it helps to know I'm not way off base for feeling that this past week was beyond difficult.

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
I have learned I have no patience for people who believe they can stop the flu and asthma attacks within minutes of taking vitamin C. I need to step away from the interwebs, let night shift deal with it. [emoji34]

But you do an awesome job of refuting them.

And dang, do I like the fact that if any of my patients come in high, their elective surgery gets cancelled. Had one poor guy who'd been clean for over a year blow it over his nervousness for surgery. Came in high, got sent home to be rescheduled pending surgeon approval (aka, a clean drug test). I don't know how the ER folks are dealing with all the crazy overdoses we've had- 10-15 per day. We (the OR) "deal" with them by procuring organs for transplant :unsure:- so many lately that they had several critical event debriefings for the department because we were getting burned out and fried from the sheer number.

Specializes in critical care.
But you do an awesome job of refuting them.

And dang, do I like the fact that if any of my patients come in high, their elective surgery gets cancelled. Had one poor guy who'd been clean for over a year blow it over his nervousness for surgery. Came in high, got sent home to be rescheduled pending surgeon approval (aka, a clean drug test). I don't know how the ER folks are dealing with all the crazy overdoses we've had- 10-15 per day. We (the OR) "deal" with them by procuring organs for transplant :unsure:- so many lately that they had several critical event debriefings for the department because we were getting burned out and fried from the sheer number.

Big education moment there. Hopefully someone told him he can ask for benzos prior to surgery to avoid the bowl he's self medicating with.

(Eta - thank you [emoji5]️ I'm holding on to patience by a thread. Mom voice is coming out.)

Specializes in LTC.

I learned that 4 days off in a row equals bliss. I work 4-5 8s a week so 4 consecutive days off is a rare occurrence.

I learned that I need to try harder to fly under the radar at clinical with one particular instructor who seems to have a problem with students who are LPNs.

I learned that working in the same community where you live can make for awkward moments like when a resident's family member recognizes you in the grocery store and yells out your name then just gives you a big hug right there in the produce section :bag:.

I learned that working in the same community where you live can make for awkward moments like when a resident's family member recognizes you in the grocery store and yells out your name then just gives you a big hug right there in the produce section :bag:.

Good lord, I know. I'm the SN in the very small town where my kids go to school and everyone knows everyone. What was I thinking?

Yes, they eye me when I buy beer.

I learned that I don't want to get ARDS so I need to get my flu shot this week.. especially since I ran out of vitamin C.

Specializes in Hospice.
Good lord, I know. I'm the SN in the very small town where my kids go to school and everyone knows everyone. What was I thinking?

Yes, they eye me when I buy beer.

My problem is twofold:

1. I've been a nurse long enough in the same general geographic area that odds are no matter where I go, SOMEONE is going to recognize me. Seriously, I'm going to be going into my 4th decade of nursing soon.

2. I'm great at faces, but lousy at names. When I start a new job I always tell everyone for the first few weeks thatI'm really not a pervert, I'm just looking at their name tags.

So, when former patients or family members do the "Jensmom!! How are you?" song, I generally start hyperventilating and do my deer in the headlights impression.

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