11/7: what I learned this week: Trey Anastasio wants to weigh your head; Cerner is stupid

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I have an absolute passion for discharge teaching, especially with new meds and diagnoses.

Sometimes compliance really does depend on convenience.

Cerner is stupid. A one-time stat dose of a med IV will cancel itself and mark itself as complete when that dose isn't given within an hour. The problem with this is if the dose is ordered in the ED and isn't immediately given because the patient needs fluid boluses, dopamine and atropine first, they come up to the floor and it looks like either someone discontinued the med, or administered the med. If anyone less neurotic than me got this med, they wouldn't have spent the half hour I spent going between ED nurse, hospitalist and pharmacy trying to figure out what happened.

Had a patient who is fairly new to alcoholism. New enough that no real damage has been done yet. He came in HR in 30s, SBP in 60s, after falling out in the kitchen. He is the first alcoholic patient I've had that I genuinely believe may be quitting. He's been scared sober.

After sitting on it for nearly two years, I have finally decided on grad school, which one and how to approach it. What I learned from this decision is that I'm probably really going to miss my unit. It's the most chaotic, busy unit in the hospital, and some days are soul crushing, and yet, I just love the people (usually).

If you have an LPN doing an admission assessment, first, make sure it got signed by an RN, but also, actually make sure what was charted is accurate.

If a cardiologist blows off intervention on a patient who has had a ridiculous number of 4-9 second pauses over several days, that patient may become brady and hypotension to a dangerous degree, right before shift change, causing her to need a temporary pacer before she gets the permanent one she was scheduled to get the next day.

AND, if that same cardiologist blows off an intermittent heart rate in the 200s for two days before deciding cardizem might be nice, probably an incident report would be a good idea.

AND, my favorite, most helpful cardiologist has left my favorites list and gotten onto my ess list.

When the generally lazy CN actually tries to "help", she may actually make things SO MUCH WORSE.

When upper management is entirely made of nurses, I genuinely believe this contributes to a wonderful work environment.

Did I mention I love patient teaching?

Four discharges going in simultaneously for four impatient patients makes for a horrible day. HORRIBLE. And of course, discharging 4 means more terribleness. Brace yourselves. Admissions are coming.

When your patient has been saying literally the entire day that she will sign out AMA if she is not discharged, expect her to pull a bait and switch while her husband talks to you at the nurses' station. Also, expect to get security involved when you can't actually find her anywhere. Expect her to be hiding around the corner of the building chain smoking, literally leaning on the "no smoking sign". Expect her to flip out when she thinks security is approaching to force her to go back inside. And then expect your coworkers to be confused when you tell them you had to find her to get her IV out. Dude, I'm not giving her free access to a vein.

(Also expect that to happen at shift change as well.)

Benzos and opiates can metabolize so quickly that ED doses may not pop a UDS positive that evening. I didn't even want to send the UDS to lab because the most likely meds to pop positive on, she'd just gotten in the ED. Unless, of course, grandma is doing coke, meth and ecstasy.

I'm really lacking patience for a couple of posters in the controversy vaccination thread.

Some patients have no problem whatsoever being really nasty to everyone EXCEPT their nurse when they feel the nurse should have done something that that nurse chose not to do. For instance, patient complained of headache and noted there was a nitro patch on, with no order to continue nitro patches. Removed it, waited a little while to see if that worked. The tech goes in and the patient tore him a new one over not getting pain medication. Every time I went into this room, the patient was sound asleep. She got medication and tea with her 2200 meds, and hers were given last because she stayed asleep. When I woke her up, not one single complaint. It's just weird.

I'm incredibly disappointed when floor nurses identify a need, and case management blows it off.

Got a song stuck in my head. It's not all instrumental, I promise. And the lyrics are.... Well, you'll hear. Enjoy.

Phish - "Weigh" (HD) - YouTube

No, but she was calling us every name in the book, and telling us she was going to whoop our butts when she got out of her restraints. Grandma just sat in the corner crying, no mom or dad ever came that night. Sad, sad, sad, you can almost see where this girl is going to end up.

I'm sorry.

My problem is twofold:

1. I've been a nurse long enough in the same general geographic area that odds are no matter where I go, SOMEONE is going to recognize me. Seriously, I'm going to be going into my 4th decade of nursing soon.

2. I'm great at faces, but lousy at names. When I start a new job I always tell everyone for the first few weeks thatI'm really not a pervert, I'm just looking at their name tags.

So, when former patients or family members do the "Jensmom!! How are you?" song, I generally start hyperventilating and do my deer in the headlights impression.

I am the same way. I remember everyone, but soooo bad at names.

Specializes in ICU.
I don't know that I deserve kudos. Kudos would be if I had caught the precipitating factor before hand. Unfortunately, we'll never know what happened. But two in a week? ... major suckage.

Something about my luck, I guess, but mine almost always come in twos, too. It really does suck.

I don't trust remote tele people - for exactly the reasons you describe. They are good at calling for silly things, but missing the important ones. I have to be somewhere I can see the monitor myself - when I'm at the nurses' station, when I'm at my desk, and when I'm in the room with my patient. And when I'm in the room with other patients if I want to fiddle with the monitor.

I'm still giving you the kudos, for sure. Having that data in your hands isn't everything - looking at the patient is obviously more important - but seeing slight differences in the rhythm yourself can be that one little thing that takes the situation from "Hmm, this looks bad, I should stay close," to "Holy crapola the feces are about to rain," and if I was working without it, there are definitely times my patients wouldn't have done so well.

Specializes in critical care.

I learned that working in the same community where you live can make for awkward moments like when a resident's family member recognizes you in the grocery store and yells out your name then just gives you a big hug right there in the produce section :bag:.

THIS is why I'm more than happy to drive the extra 20 minutes in the opposite direction of my local hospital to get to work. I imagine it's even more embarrassing when you see someone out who came in for a really effed up reason. When I was in school, I had a polysubstance addict in full-blown detox after jumping out of a moving car and cracking his skull. I cringe when I see him out with his beautiful tiny children. Wish I could say his wife wasn't just as messed up, but........ :(

Specializes in critical care.
My problem is twofold:

1. I've been a nurse long enough in the same general geographic area that odds are no matter where I go, SOMEONE is going to recognize me. Seriously, I'm going to be going into my 4th decade of nursing soon.

2. I'm great at faces, but lousy at names. When I start a new job I always tell everyone for the first few weeks thatI'm really not a pervert, I'm just looking at their name tags.

So, when former patients or family members do the "Jensmom!! How are you?" song, I generally start hyperventilating and do my deer in the headlights impression.

Totally with you on that one. Patients are room numbers in this brain. When I can the docs, I do a double take because well over half the time, I don't have the patient's name. They have to know names because these people often come to us from ICU, then go to Med/surg if we don't discharge them. (Well, and because it's the polite way to remember the patient.)

Specializes in critical care.
Something about my luck, I guess, but mine almost always come in twos, too. It really does suck.

I don't trust remote tele people - for exactly the reasons you describe. They are good at calling for silly things, but missing the important ones. I have to be somewhere I can see the monitor myself - when I'm at the nurses' station, when I'm at my desk, and when I'm in the room with my patient. And when I'm in the room with other patients if I want to fiddle with the monitor.

I'm still giving you the kudos, for sure. Having that data in your hands isn't everything - looking at the patient is obviously more important - but seeing slight differences in the rhythm yourself can be that one little thing that takes the situation from "Hmm, this looks bad, I should stay close," to "Holy crapola the feces are about to rain," and if I was working without it, there are definitely times my patients wouldn't have done so well.

We have one AMAZING tele person. Knows not to call bomb if we don't answer, is cordial about the small stuff, knows we pay attention to what he says, and he's rather gifted at what he does. He notices the smallest subtle changes that actually are pretty damn important. I'd clone him 19 bagillion times and share him with the world if I could.

Then we have one *****. I swear to god if I could cram my phone right down her stupid throat I would do it in a heartbeat. If she feels as though the inflection of your voice does not possess the adequate amount of urgency, she will call EVERY ONE. Charge nurse, charge nurse on my floor (if the patient is not on my floor, because we are the cardiac unit for less stable patients), she will call ANS, and if she still doesn't feel sufficient attention has been given, she will call hospitalists and cardiologists. I'm not exaggerating one little bit. The entire extent of her educational background is she sat through a basic dysrhythmia course. And half the time, she is completely wrong. She'll pester and try to intimidate new nurses because she feels she is the all mighty telemetry queen. But really, she is a giant pain in the ass who doesn't know how to call about more than one battery or lead off at a time. Last time she was on at the same time as me, she literally called me 10 times in the first 2 hours of the shift. I suspect because she got chewed out by the doctors, ANS, CN and tech she called when she thought a patient with WAP had gone into afib and I did not freak out enough for her liking (he did NOT, and literally NOTHING had changed in his rate or rhythm in DAYS).

(Yes, I'm not done ranting about that and it's been awhile since it happened.)

I'm pretty sure the rest of the techs only know how to call us for leads and batteries, because I very, very rarely hear from them for anything else, and I'm a tele vulture (because I don't trust them) so I see the insane rhythm changes that they completely ignore.

Specializes in critical care.

My apologies. I appear to have some pent up aggression. [emoji23]

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
HA! You should try having to use Cerner in a clinical setting! It is a HOSPITAL based system, we went to them 3 months ago and it's been hell. We are the largest clinic they've undertaken and they haven't done it well.

I repeat "Cerner sucks" about 40 times a day, 4-5 days a week. Along with 1200 other people here!

I concur-Cerner, especially cheap Cerner, SUCKS!!!!

.... We're going to use Cerner EHR to train on charting.

I'm guessing I'll hate it?

Specializes in Critical Care.

I have never had a patient code unexpectedly on me as a nurse, only as a CNA (knocks on wood) because they're on continuous monitoring and I only have two of them to watch. I'd say I've gotten pulses back in at least 75% of my codes. There's something to be said for working somewhere that you can see it coming, and you have at least six people in the room, the crash cart present, the pads hooked up, and the physician on the way before the patient even loses a pulse, which you figure out pretty quick because someone's probably standing there with a finger on the carotids - and that's only if we weren't able to push something to ward it off first.

Not saying they live to discharge, because they don't, but we have way more people die because we withdraw on them than people who die during a code. It's still sad, but it's not unexpected, and that really makes a difference for the families.

This is how it usually is at my place too.

ETA: Except for today. Total surprise crump. Still scratching my head.

ETA (again, because I has the dumbs): I'm so frickin tired but I don't wanna go to bed because that means in the blink of an eye I will have to get up and go right back from where I came. And do it all over again. Rinse. Repeat.

I just learned from reading some old post using the search bar that some people can be unnecessarily rude. And when the OP defends themself they play the "oh your mad because I don't agree card". Things can be taken the wrong way sometimes because everything is in "text" but I'm seeing that's not always the case. :unsure:

COOL FACT!

I learned that glucagon is given to patients with achalasia to relax the muscles of the throat.

I had NO IDEA you could do that.

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