11/7: what I learned this week: Trey Anastasio wants to weigh your head; Cerner is stupid

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I have an absolute passion for discharge teaching, especially with new meds and diagnoses.

Sometimes compliance really does depend on convenience.

Cerner is stupid. A one-time stat dose of a med IV will cancel itself and mark itself as complete when that dose isn't given within an hour. The problem with this is if the dose is ordered in the ED and isn't immediately given because the patient needs fluid boluses, dopamine and atropine first, they come up to the floor and it looks like either someone discontinued the med, or administered the med. If anyone less neurotic than me got this med, they wouldn't have spent the half hour I spent going between ED nurse, hospitalist and pharmacy trying to figure out what happened.

Had a patient who is fairly new to alcoholism. New enough that no real damage has been done yet. He came in HR in 30s, SBP in 60s, after falling out in the kitchen. He is the first alcoholic patient I've had that I genuinely believe may be quitting. He's been scared sober.

After sitting on it for nearly two years, I have finally decided on grad school, which one and how to approach it. What I learned from this decision is that I'm probably really going to miss my unit. It's the most chaotic, busy unit in the hospital, and some days are soul crushing, and yet, I just love the people (usually).

If you have an LPN doing an admission assessment, first, make sure it got signed by an RN, but also, actually make sure what was charted is accurate.

If a cardiologist blows off intervention on a patient who has had a ridiculous number of 4-9 second pauses over several days, that patient may become brady and hypotension to a dangerous degree, right before shift change, causing her to need a temporary pacer before she gets the permanent one she was scheduled to get the next day.

AND, if that same cardiologist blows off an intermittent heart rate in the 200s for two days before deciding cardizem might be nice, probably an incident report would be a good idea.

AND, my favorite, most helpful cardiologist has left my favorites list and gotten onto my ess list.

When the generally lazy CN actually tries to "help", she may actually make things SO MUCH WORSE.

When upper management is entirely made of nurses, I genuinely believe this contributes to a wonderful work environment.

Did I mention I love patient teaching?

Four discharges going in simultaneously for four impatient patients makes for a horrible day. HORRIBLE. And of course, discharging 4 means more terribleness. Brace yourselves. Admissions are coming.

When your patient has been saying literally the entire day that she will sign out AMA if she is not discharged, expect her to pull a bait and switch while her husband talks to you at the nurses' station. Also, expect to get security involved when you can't actually find her anywhere. Expect her to be hiding around the corner of the building chain smoking, literally leaning on the "no smoking sign". Expect her to flip out when she thinks security is approaching to force her to go back inside. And then expect your coworkers to be confused when you tell them you had to find her to get her IV out. Dude, I'm not giving her free access to a vein.

(Also expect that to happen at shift change as well.)

Benzos and opiates can metabolize so quickly that ED doses may not pop a UDS positive that evening. I didn't even want to send the UDS to lab because the most likely meds to pop positive on, she'd just gotten in the ED. Unless, of course, grandma is doing coke, meth and ecstasy.

I'm really lacking patience for a couple of posters in the controversy vaccination thread.

Some patients have no problem whatsoever being really nasty to everyone EXCEPT their nurse when they feel the nurse should have done something that that nurse chose not to do. For instance, patient complained of headache and noted there was a nitro patch on, with no order to continue nitro patches. Removed it, waited a little while to see if that worked. The tech goes in and the patient tore him a new one over not getting pain medication. Every time I went into this room, the patient was sound asleep. She got medication and tea with her 2200 meds, and hers were given last because she stayed asleep. When I woke her up, not one single complaint. It's just weird.

I'm incredibly disappointed when floor nurses identify a need, and case management blows it off.

Got a song stuck in my head. It's not all instrumental, I promise. And the lyrics are.... Well, you'll hear. Enjoy.

Phish - "Weigh" (HD) - YouTube

She just keeps throwing in these new, odd things, or contradictions, and it just sucks me right back in!

Definition of clickbait. Right?

Spent the last few days at a hospice conference. I learned that there are hospice nurses who think we should hitch our wagons to physician-assisted suicide, which just became legal in my state.

That makes me sad. I've had to fight the impression for years that some folks have about hospice.

"You just go in and kill people in their homes with morphine, right? I'm not signing up for hospice!!"

:cry:

Suicide is for people who want to end their life. Euthanasia is for people who want to let their life end. Big difference.

Suicide is for people who want to end their life. Euthanasia is for people who want to let their life end. Big difference.

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Suicide is for people who want to end their life. Euthanasia is for people who want to let their life end. Big difference.

I don't agree but this isn't about Euthanasia. Yet.

Our state passed Death With Dignity Act which will allow a physician to write a prescription for medication that a person with a terminal illness and less than 6 months to live can take to end that person's life. But the ill person has to take the medication themselves. The physician (or nurse or family member or friend) doesn't give it to them - if that happened, that would be Euthanasia. This isn't covered by insurance by the way and costs about $2000. The stats therefore show that mostly white, upper middle-class men and women are the ones who mostly access this in the states where it has been legal for awhile. The definition of suicide also changed so people who did kill themselves with the prescribed medication wouldn't forfeit their life insurance benefits.

So, the person who stockpiles/hoards narcs and then takes them and dies is suicide. The person who takes prescribed narcs and dies is not suicide. Makes my head spin.

Leaving aside the arguments either for or against, my concern is getting hospice involved in the business of physician-assisted suicide.

Let there be another organization that starts up to handle that aspect. I'd like to continue to do what hospice was started to do and not actively kill someone or stand by as someone actively kills themselves.

It is anathema to me as a hospice nurse. That's what I learned this week; that I was surprised by how many hospice nurses were ok with physician-assisted suicide being part of hospice.

So regardless of how I personally think about the new law, I just don't think hospice should be in the business of killing people with terminal illness. We've fought that for so long . . .

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I will not need surgery, but a cast! Glad no surgery. I have to figure out how to type my pharm paper one handed. It's due Thursday night. Fun times.

Specializes in Hospice.
I don't agree but this isn't about Euthanasia. Yet.

Our state passed Death With Dignity Act which will allow a physician to write a prescription for medication that a person with a terminal illness and less than 6 months to live can take to end that person's life. But the ill person has to take the medication themselves. The physician (or nurse or family member or friend) doesn't give it to them - if that happened, that would be Euthanasia. This isn't covered by insurance by the way and costs about $2000. The stats therefore show that mostly white, upper middle-class men and women are the ones who mostly access this in the states where it has been legal for awhile. The definition of suicide also changed so people who did kill themselves with the prescribed medication wouldn't forfeit their life insurance benefits.

So, the person who stockpiles/hoards narcs and then takes them and dies is suicide. The person who takes prescribed narcs and dies is not suicide. Makes my head spin.

Leaving aside the arguments either for or against, my concern is getting hospice involved in the business of physician-assisted suicide.

Let there be another organization that starts up to handle that aspect. I'd like to continue to do what hospice was started to do and not actively kill someone or stand by as someone actively kills themselves.

It is anathema to me as a hospice nurse. That's what I learned this week; that I was surprised by how many hospice nurses were ok with physician-assisted suicide being part of hospice.

So regardless of how I personally think about the new law, I just don't think hospice should be in the business of killing people with terminal illness. We've fought that for so long . . .

If this became a part of Hospice, then I would have to leave.

Unfortunately, Hospice admissions have been falling (largely because CMS is taking a closer look at eligibility criteria and cracking down on inappropriate admissions, like the dementia patients who have been on service for 4 years and are clearly custodial) so agencies have to find more marketing strategies to get people to use the service.

We already do more testing than Hospice should do to appease the families who still want "stuff" done. Assisted suicide as a part of Hospice care will surely be a tempting incentive for many agencies.

If this became a part of Hospice, then I would have to leave.

Unfortunately, Hospice admissions have been falling (largely because CMS is taking a closer look at eligibility criteria and cracking down on inappropriate admissions, like the dementia patients who have been on service for 4 years and are clearly custodial) so agencies have to find more marketing strategies to get people to use the service.

We already do more testing than Hospice should do to appease the families who still want "stuff" done. Assisted suicide as a part of Hospice care will surely be a tempting incentive for many agencies.

That is a very good point.

Sad though and I would also have to leave my agency if we decided to do this.

There are 4 options according to the speaker at the conference. I don't have my conference materials at hand right now so can't remember all the names of the categories but basically:

Fully support and help patient at the time of taking the medication.

Support but don't actively help.

Can't remember the third category . . .

Decline as a hospice to be involved.

We do have the freedom to make a decision - at this point. We don't have to include physician-assisted suicide as part of the hospice protocol.

I've made my intentions clear that I would have to leave as well. It just isn't what hospice was started for and I'd hate to change that.

They asked me to work hospice as well as HH. Not trained yet. I'll do it, but I'll need to go back to orientation.

I told them maybe after the holidays.

Specializes in Hospice.
They asked me to work hospice as well as HH. Not trained yet. I'll do it, but I'll need to go back to orientation.

I told them maybe after the holidays.

I don't remember if you have Hospice experience, Far, but one important thing about Hospice: it's a 180 degree mind flip from all other nursing.

I'm not a fan of combining Home Care and Hospice, but some don't mind.

I don't remember if you have Hospice experience, Far, but one important thing about Hospice: it's a 180 degree mind flip from all other nursing.

I'm not a fan of combining Home Care and Hospice, but some don't mind.

I've worked briefly with in patient hospice on an oncology floor.

I would never take a Hospice Job without training, no worries. I have great respect for Hospice nurses.

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