I get the basics- the radical left is trying to take our freedom and turn us into obedient sheep. But, there are a couple parts of the anti-vax narrative I am having trouble following:
1- The role of the doctors. Actual doctors are overwhelmingly pushing for vaccinations. is it because they have been duped, or are they in on the con? From the anti-vax viewpoint, are they part of the liberal agenda to subjugate all Americans? Really weird, because doctors are as politically split as the rest of the country. Plenty of conservative republican doctors. Why can't they see this power grab?
2- The Flu. Somehow the fact that flu is way down is being used as part of the narrative. I am completely missing this. Obviously with masks and precautions flu is down. But, somehow, this is being used as proof of something, and I don't get it.
Serious questions. I won't debate anybody here. I really want to understand how these two things fir in.
1- The role of the doctors. Actual doctors are overwhelmingly pushing for vaccinations. is it because they have been duped, or are they in on the con? From the anti-vax viewpoint, are they part of the liberal agenda to subjugate all Americans? Really weird, because doctors are as politically split as the rest of the country. Plenty of conservative republican doctors. Why can't they see this power grab?
Regarding this point.
I think part of the problem is that healthcare providers' decision-making is meddled with by other forces, I mean, that is inarguable. We ourselves complain about it.
Between insurance company demands, big business demands and the real or perceived need for "CYA" medicine and several other reasons, people know that doctors/providers/HCWs aren't always doing what they personally believe is most sensible. About the time I am asking someone who sprained their ankle in a basketball game whether they perchance feel like killing themselves today, patients understand that forces other than reasonable medical care are dictating some of the care.
That is the baseline/foundation for this. Add in politics = powder keg.
I wanted to share a story I just heard today from a patient:
Young patient under 40 with kids. Distrusts the government, doesn't believe in mask mandates and homeschooled her kids because of the school system mandate (their words).
Didn't wear a mask indoors or at work and wasn't vaccinated.
Developed mild symptoms in Summer of 2021; still maskless, went to work, out to eat at restaurants, to arcades and playdates with kids, and had mother come to house to homeschool kids for six days. Mother got suddenly sick and testes positive; subsequently patient and husband test positive in next 24 hours. Kids were all sick and not tested.
Mother (overweight) dies of covid 10 days later. Co-worker (also overweight) is hospitalized (ICU, vent) for almost three weeks. In total, 27 of their friends and family test positive.
Still doesn't believe in masks, vaccines, or dangers of covid which is being propagated and exaggerated by the main stream media. Mom received remdesivir and died five days later; "the hospital killed her". Coworker got so sick "because she is overweight".
I wanted to share a story I just heard today from a patient:
Young patient under 40 with kids. Distrusts the government, doesn't believe in mask mandates and homeschooled her kids because of the school system mandate (their words).
Didn't wear a mask indoors or at work and wasn't vaccinated.
Developed mild symptoms in Summer of 2021; still maskless, went to work, out to eat at restaurants, to arcades and playdates with kids, and had mother come to house to homeschool kids for six days. Mother got suddenly sick and testes positive; subsequently patient and husband test positive in next 24 hours. Kids were all sick and not tested.
Mother (overweight) dies of covid 10 days later. Co-worker (also overweight) is hospitalized (ICU, vent) for almost three weeks. In total, 27 of their friends and family test positive.
Still doesn't believe in masks, vaccines, or dangers of covid which is being propagated and exaggerated by the main stream media. Mom received remdesivir and died five days later; "the hospital killed her". Coworker got so sick "because she is overweight".
This is a narrative I have a hard time following.
Situations like these I can appreciate being frustrated with. This is an example of someone with an extreme perspective against vaccination.
I have not seen these patients. You guys must be the lucky few to have such wild stories. Most of the ones I know state they are unsure about it. I have not had one person tell me they don't believe in masks, washing hands, COVID or anything around that. Most of them are concerned and have valid questions.
I have not seen these patients. You guys must be the lucky few to have such wild stories. Most of the ones I know state they are unsure about it. I have not had one person tell me they don't believe in masks, washing hands, COVID or anything around that. Most of them are concerned and have valid questions.
You have not met one person tell you they don’t believe in masks? Lucky ones to have heard stories, that is such an odd statement. This is exactly I think what the original poster was talking about and very fortunately a small number and growing smaller.
You have not met one person tell you they don’t believe in masks? Lucky ones to have heard stories, that is such an odd statement. This is exactly I think what the original poster was talking about and very fortunately a small number and growing smaller.
I have not heard any one say they don't believe in masks. I have heard mostly from young guys ages 18 to 30 that they are over wearing them but they continue to. That's a normal response I think. Lucky ones is me being smart because so many have stories of crazy reasons why people are not wearing them. I have yet to hear those so must not be lucky enough to have patients to be able to get in here and make fun of them
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On 9/16/2021 at 4:44 PM, nursej22 said:
This ties in with the notion that hospitals are padding their numbers because they get higher reimbursement for COVID patients.
Also I recall Fox News sounding the alarm that if you are hospitalized with Covid and die in the usual manner (one or more vital organs shut down) they record it as a Covid death when they should be recording as respiratory failure or cardiac arrest, and the virus was an innocent bystander.
Undoubtedly this works into the numbers padding scheme as well.
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On 9/17/2021 at 7:18 AM, Mywords1 said:
My friend with a Ph.D. from an elite university believes this baloney. Also thinks that climate change is a hoax and weather experts and scientists are conning everyone. But he is anti science to start with. Another issue is that the probability of a younger healthy person in a decent region getting and dying from covid has been very low and they know it. This skepticism began in early 2020. A Fox newscaster said that the Democrats were behind it. She was fired.
Still, the first time I know of when people reject an essential vaccine for irrelevant political reasons.
Curious, what area of study did your friend get the PhD in? I hope not science....
Lucky ones is me being smart because so many have stories of crazy reasons why people are not wearing them. I have yet to hear those so must not be lucky enough to have patients to be able to get in here and make fun of them
OK everyone seems to have crazy stories that nurses or patients are telling them about Covid being made up or the masks don't work or whatever. Just crazy out there stuff. I have not heard any crazy stuff other than those saying they don't want the shot. But no outlandish theroy so I must be missing out
I have a friend that won’t get vaccinated because she’s had Covid and believes that her antibodies are enough to protect her. Anyone know how long the antibodies last if you’ve had Covid? How are people measuring their antibody levels? I’m stumped.
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10 minutes ago, jobellestarr said:
I have a friend that won’t get vaccinated because she’s had Covid and believes that her antibodies are enough to protect her. Anyone know how long the antibodies last if you’ve had Covid? How are people measuring their antibody levels? I’m stumped.
It's a novel virus. We don't know how long some may maintain protective immunity but we do know that there have already been re-infections just like vaccinated individuals have gotten sick. Historically, coronaviruses have not been associated with long term immunity after infection, like we get with measles or polio or small pox. The current recommendation is for all to vaccinate regardless of previous infection. These individuals are not the highest priority for vaccination, the unvaccinated who have never been infected are highest priority.
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Regarding this point.
I think part of the problem is that healthcare providers' decision-making is meddled with by other forces, I mean, that is inarguable. We ourselves complain about it.
Between insurance company demands, big business demands and the real or perceived need for "CYA" medicine and several other reasons, people know that doctors/providers/HCWs aren't always doing what they personally believe is most sensible. About the time I am asking someone who sprained their ankle in a basketball game whether they perchance feel like killing themselves today, patients understand that forces other than reasonable medical care are dictating some of the care.
That is the baseline/foundation for this. Add in politics = powder keg.