Having Trouble Following The Narrative

[Guest219794]

I get the basics- the radical left is trying to take our freedom and turn us into obedient sheep. But, there are a couple parts of the anti-vax narrative I am having trouble following:

1- The role of the doctors.  Actual doctors are overwhelmingly pushing for vaccinations.  is it because they have been duped, or are they in on the con?  From the anti-vax viewpoint, are they part of the liberal agenda to subjugate all Americans?  Really weird, because doctors are as politically split as the rest of the country.  Plenty of conservative republican doctors.  Why can't they see this power grab?

2- The Flu.  Somehow the fact that flu is way down is being used as part of the narrative.  I am completely missing this.  Obviously with masks and precautions flu is down.  But, somehow, this is being used as proof of something, and I don't get it.

Serious questions.  I won't debate anybody here. I really want to understand how these two things fir in.

[MunoRN, RN]

37 minutes ago, jobellestarr said:

I have a friend that won’t get vaccinated because she’s had Covid and believes that her antibodies are enough to protect her. Anyone know how long the antibodies last if you’ve had Covid? How are people measuring their antibody levels? I’m stumped. 

Israel has the longest exemption from vaccine requirements for those previously infected that I'm aware of, which is 8 months.  There was evidence to support this up until last February, although they've been finding shorter periods of protection with the Delta variant circulating. 

They recently changed their duration for vaccine exemption for travelers to only be exempt for 3 months after infection.

[Kitiger, RN]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:38 PM, RKM2021 said:

I have not heard any one say they don't believe in masks. 

I have many relatives who are adamantly against masks, because the masks worn in the community are not 100% proof against COVID. In their minds, it is all or nothing; either the mask blocks all of the virus all the time, or it doesn't work at all.

I point out that masking is part of the defense, along with social distancing, etc., but they can't hear me.

[iNurs5, CNA]

On 9/17/2021 at 8:11 AM, BostonFNP said:

I wanted to share a story I just heard today from a patient: 

Young patient under 40 with kids. Distrusts the government, doesn't believe in mask mandates and homeschooled her kids because of the school system mandate (their words).

Didn't wear a mask indoors or at work and wasn't vaccinated.

Developed mild symptoms in Summer of 2021; still maskless, went to work, out to eat at restaurants, to arcades and playdates with kids, and had mother come to house to homeschool kids for six days. Mother got suddenly sick and testes positive; subsequently patient and husband test positive in next 24 hours. Kids were all sick and not tested.

Mother (overweight) dies of covid 10 days later. Co-worker (also overweight) is hospitalized (ICU, vent) for almost three weeks. In total, 27 of their friends and family test positive. 

Still doesn't believe in masks, vaccines, or dangers of covid which is being propagated and exaggerated by the main stream media. Mom received remdesivir and died five days later; "the hospital killed her". Coworker got so sick "because she is overweight". 

This is a narrative I have a hard time following.

I understand people who are scared of the vaccines or medically unable to be inoculated, but I will never understand people who deliberately ignore the safety precautions. Washing hands, use masks, and keep a social distance are another way to slow down or pevent the transmission until those brainiacs figure out a better resolution to this endless madness of COVID-19. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:38 PM, RKM2021 said:

I have not heard any one say they don't believe in masks. I have heard mostly from young guys ages 18 to 30 that they are over wearing them but they continue to. That's a normal response I think. Lucky ones is me being smart because so many have stories of crazy reasons why people are not wearing them. I have yet to hear those so must not be lucky enough to have patients to be able to get in here and make fun of them 

Do you work in a medical setting that does not REQUIRE masking?  That would certainly limit your contact with non-maskers:)  I don't know what it's like where you live, but in my town all medical visits require masking and a couple of questions.

[toomuchbaloney]

14 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

I understand people who are scared of the vaccines or medically unable to be inoculated, but I will never understand people who deliberately ignore the safety precautions. Washing hands, use masks, and keep a social distance are another way to slow down or pevent the transmission until those brainiacs figure out a better resolution to this endless madness of COVID-19. 

And yet, my politically conservative brother and his son both ignore and mock the public health recommendations to distance and wear a mask in crowds or indoor settings. If you asked them about mitigation or vaccination they would be likely to entertain you with angry rant about their fears and freedoms. They are the kind of angry that compels them to be rude to people around them who are masked and trying to maintain distance for safety.  They both believe that mask and vaccination mandates are a reflection of political thinking rather than public health.  

It's surprising that neither have yet been infected. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

And yet, my politically conservative brother and his son both ignore and mock the public health recommendations to distance and wear a mask in crowds or indoor settings. If you asked them about mitigation or vaccination they would be likely to entertain you with angry rant about their fears and freedoms. They are the kind of angry that compels them to be rude to people around them who are masked and trying to maintain distance for safety.  They both believe that mask and vaccination mandates are a reflection of political thinking rather than public health.  

It's surprising that neither have yet been infected. 

I have one in my family also.  All the elite education in the world didn't protect her brain from contacting this brainworm.  They weren't even politically conservative until Trump came along and she and her husband became mesmerized.  They were both very greedy people to start with though and there is just Never Enough when it comes to money.

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, subee said:

I have one in my family also.  All the elite education in the world didn't protect her brain from contacting this brainworm.  They weren't even politically conservative until Trump came along and she and her husband became mesmerized.  They were both very greedy people to start with though and there is just Never Enough when it comes to money.

Indeed. My brother and nephew are committed capitalists.  My brother married into a wealthy family so my nephew has a trust fund that saves him from having to save for a mortgage down payment or consider what his degree in design cost. He sees everything through a political lens where liberal is bad. We managed to have a family relationship until Trump.  Trump made all interactions strained...and then the covid lies and idiocy just broke it.  They refuse to respond to me or my family now because we encouraged them to vaccinate.  It's tragic. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

I hope you aren't losing too much sleep over this.  If you are, maybe you can downgrade it from tragic to sad.  9/11 changed my definition of tragic.  Suddenly in one morning the foundation stone of tragic became over 2,000 people vaporized within an hour.  That kind of helps me keep everything else in perspective........just in case this line of thinking is of any value to you.  I don't want to harbour any bad will against my sister in law so I just don't think of her ever (but I'm always polite:)

[toomuchbaloney]

30 minutes ago, subee said:

I hope you aren't losing too much sleep over this.  If you are, maybe you can downgrade it from tragic to sad.  9/11 changed my definition of tragic.  Suddenly in one morning the foundation stone of tragic became over 2,000 people vaporized within an hour.  That kind of helps me keep everything else in perspective........just in case this line of thinking is of any value to you.  I don't want to harbour any bad will against my sister in law so I just don't think of her ever (but I'm always polite:)

I am 4000 miles away from them and they ignore me so...now we have 9/11 level of death every day or two. Because of propaganda.  

[iNurs5, CNA]

10 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

And yet, my politically conservative brother and his son both ignore and mock the public health recommendations to distance and wear a mask in crowds or indoor settings. If you asked them about mitigation or vaccination they would be likely to entertain you with angry rant about their fears and freedoms. They are the kind of angry that compels them to be rude to people around them who are masked and trying to maintain distance for safety.  They both believe that mask and vaccination mandates are a reflection of political thinking rather than public health.  

It's surprising that neither have yet been infected. 

I'm just hoping they're always lucky. This infection doesn't care what political belief people worship. I just got a call. My uncle is in ICU after he went out to a party with his friends. All the families and I warned him that he was highly susceptible to catch this virus.  He is immunocompromised and unable to get the vaccines. His lungs are bad. I don't think his friends can help him breathe for him.

[Guest1171160]

13 hours ago, subee said:

Do you work in a medical setting that does not REQUIRE masking?  That would certainly limit your contact with non-maskers:)  I don't know what it's like where you live, but in my town all medical visits require masking and a couple of questions.

I live in a big city, and absolutely not mask are required, as they should be. 

[Guest1171160]

3 hours ago, Honyebee said:

I'm just hoping they're always lucky. This infection doesn't care what political belief people worship. I just got a call. My uncle is in ICU after he went out to a party with his friends. All the families and I warned him that he was highly susceptible to catch this virus.  He is immunocompromised and unable to get the vaccines. His lungs are bad. I don't think his friends can help him breathe for him.

Honeybee that is a good way to be. 

 

13 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Indeed. My brother and nephew are committed capitalists.  My brother married into a wealthy family so my nephew has a trust fund that saves him from having to save for a mortgage down payment or consider what his degree in design cost. He sees everything through a political lens where liberal is bad. We managed to have a family relationship until Trump.  Trump made all interactions strained...and then the covid lies and idiocy just broke it.  They refuse to respond to me or my family now because we encouraged them to vaccinate.  It's tragic. 

I have not had anyone against the vaccines  be rude to me, but I have seen plenty of people for the vaccines shot, get aggressive and start and raise their voice to someone not for the shots. I live in an area where if you are against the shot, you just have to keep your mouth shut. Though I learned that early on, a long time ago. Independent voters and conservatives are are few and far between where I live, so even around my friends or just people out I don't voice that I think it is up to every person if they want the shot or not, I don't want to get yelled down for it.