Got my 1st butt chewing today - humiliating!

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First let me say that I work in a L/D-PP-NSY unit in a rural hospital. We only have 2 OB's and I like them both very much. I had been warned about one of them - how he was practically bi-polar - and I have seen a few of his mood swings, but he has always been extremely nice to me - he's always joking - even when I call him in the middle of the night - so up to this point I have really loved my job! I've even commented that our low pay is compensated by a good working environment, and awesome physicians who treat us with respect. ...... well my little bubble was somewhat deflated this morning. Keep in mind - our unit is a combo unit, where I not only triage/labor - I also take care of PP, and assist in the nursery when needed. Last night I had a pt at 39 wk who was contracting somewhat irregular, with no cervical change after a couple of hrs, and so we sent her home Well, as I am giving report to my relief RN, she shows up with SROM. Because the RN that was relieving me was going to be the only one for OB/PP and her LPN was stuck in the Nsy with a baby on O2 - and had a scheduled C/S, I volunteered to stay and get the new patient admitted, orders done, etc... until the nurse we called in arrives. Well, I phoned the doc at 7:15 to inform him of patients return, and status and received the order to admit & pit & can start prepping her for epidural. So, as soon as I finish report - maybe less than 5 min, I started the process - which is alot - you know consents, Labs, IV starts, answering questions, etc.....Mixing antibiotics/pitocin/hyrating for epidural/giving pain meds, while anwering phone, dealing with the floor patients families questions, & had to give a few pain meds to floor patients while I am rushing to do all of this. Well.... to try to make a long story short - my relief shows up - it is now 8:20 - I am giving her report and in walks the doc. As I am telling her that he wants her to have pitocin - and was handing it to her - he lays into to me. Now we are standing at the nurses station which is about 12 ft from patients rooms, the cleaning lady is there, my relief nurse is there, and he chews me out thouroughly because I do not have the pit going - because he has to leave town at 10 am. Now this is a G1P1 who when she returned had progressed to 4/80/-1 on her own, and was ctx - although still somewhat irregular - q2-3 minutes. When he checked her a few minutes later she was 4.5/90/0 - so it wasn't like she was actually going to NEED pitocin to progress anyway. It was all about he needed her delivered before 10. He proceeded to state very loudly that the order was given at 7:15 am, and he expected me to start pit THEN, and he should not have to call the unit to see if I'm actually FOLLOWING his orders, because he just ASSUMED that I would do what he ordered - because he had REASONS he gives me orders, and It's my place to follow those orders, then he started blabbing about a study that shows if you admit a patient at 5cm, start pit 6x6, then they have blah blah blah (can't really remember what he said at this point) - then he said furthermore, I am the one with the DEGREE! (This last sentence is the one that got me!!) Then plopped the chart down walked off. OK now I am standing there - humiliated beyond all measure. My relief nurse had grabbed the bag of pit before he got done with his lecture, and promptly went to hang it - the cleaning lady was looking at me with sympathy - I was speechless. I sat down to chart everything that I had done for the patient so that I could actually go home, seeing how I had already stayed 1.5 hrs over to help - and he KNOWS I am staying late because our schedules are fixed - I am always on nights - and plus I had been the one to call him at 3 am. I had not sat down since that patient arrived, as I was rushing to get as much done as I could to help, and did not sit twiddling my thumbs saying, hmmm.....I don't think I'll start pit, because I don't think she needs it - because I am smarter than said doc - uh, NO. There is a process - that takes time. If he had said on the phone I am needing to leave town at 10am, so can you speed things along, then yes, maybe I would have been able to gotten things done a little faster by spending less time during consents explaining, and answering questions, etc... I just don't know! After he checked the patient, he comes back to the nurses station as I am charting, and asks me a few questions so he could fill in his progress notes, and as he gets up to leave, he pats me on the back and says "Thanks for your help - I'm not mad at you - I just needed you to really get this one going" - well, I could not even respond at this point because I have tears threatening to spill, and I'll be darned if I'm going to let him see me cry. I held it together by not talking to anyone - except to say goodbye at 9 am. I cried when I was in the privacy of my car. I cried when I was trying to go to sleep. I'm mad at him for being unprofessional, and repremanding me in front of my co-workers, and anyone else who walked by. I'm mad at myself for allowing him to humiliate me - I always swore I would walk away and if they had anything to say to me - they could come to me in private. I'm made that I could not control my tears, and speak back to him when he tried to half-A$$ apologize to me - believe me I had words I wanted to say. I'm mad that my skin is not tougher - that I have cried over this, and allowed it to upset me.

I guess I am fortunate that this is my first chewing, but I feel that although he did have a legitimate complaint - that I was taking a little too long - the manner in which is handled it was totally inappropriate.

Does it get easier? Does your skin ever grow thicker? I know the next time he sees me - he will be back to normal, and will act as if nothing ever happened, but I'm afraid I'm will not be so eager to resume our "friendly" conversations. I have decided in my mind that it will be business only - I will say what I need to say in regards to patient care, and refrain from carrying on with his constant joking, long conversations regarding his son's wakeboarding events, pretending interest in his rock-climbing stories. Ya know? Does this make me immature? I will not be rude or disrespectful, I just have no desire to be "personable" to him. :madface:

Sorry this is sooo long! I am one of those people who need to VENT to get things off my chest. I am still hurt. When in nursing school, I witnessed a doc chewing out an ICU nurse - in FRONT of the patient, all of us nursing students as well as her co-workers - and saw her later in the hallway crying, and being consoled.... that made a huge impression on me, and I can't believe I endured the same thing this morning. Somehow - I think I need a raise - LOL. My lovely working environment now longer compensates for the poor wages ! LOL

Specializes in rehab, long-term care, ortho.

Changing your behavior toward him is a little passive-agressive and you might be hanging on to a resentment unnecessarily.

I agree totally. I think he knows he was a jerk. He thanked you for helping him, which shows he values you. And he made an excuse for yelling at you..."I just needed you to really get this one going" (as if you knew?). No...it's not an apology, but it shows he was thinking about what he said to you and regretted it, imo.

You've had what sounds like a very good relationship up until now. I don't think you should harbor resentment and be cool towards him. Let this one go. You were warned about his bipolar personality so, imo, you shouldn't take it personally.

Now if it happens again....that's a whole new ballgame.

Again, bullies will not back off with aviodance or attempts to anticipate their mood.

This is true.

I've been known to chew right back. I guess I'm an old battle axe, but I was once a young battle axe. I will never forget my first job, this little doc(about 5'5", I'm 6') started yelling at me for whatever and I yelled back at him-"who the he** do you think you are talking to" All my new co-workers were quite surprised as I have a very quiet personality-usually. I tend to lose it when someone yells at me though.:lol2:

In my experience, once you yell back, they never yell at you again.

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.

I've read before that modern OB doctors use pitocin too much for their own convenience sake, which sometimes lead to more relentless contractions. This in turn can cause fetal distress thus contributing to our ever escalating cesaerian rate. I've also read that cesaerian sections are not as healthy of a way for babies to be born with more lung problems.

When you confront him, do NOT let him get away with a personal apology. He berated you in front of staff and patients, he should apologize in the same manner.

Specializes in OB/PP/Nsy.
ok, i'm not an ob nurse, but...

how dare he chew you out because this baby was deciding to be born a little too close to his trip?

what would he have done if this woman had srom'd at, say 930? or after he left? wasn't there someone covering for him?

from your post, and my limited ob knowledge, it doesn't even sound as though this woman should have been given pit at all -- kind of sounds like she was progressing just fine on her own.

is it really ethical for him to give her pit for his convenience?

and then have the nerve to chew you out because you didn't hang it fast enough? didn't you have to mix the stuff?

i would have lost a whole lot of respect for him after that.

yes, the other ob would have covered for him - so i have no idea what his problem was.

and, i honestly didn't think she was even going to need pitocin. as an ob nurse - we have to make judgement calls too - i mean if i had started the pit - and had hyperstimulation causing fetal distress/c/s - don't you think he (as well as a court of law & nursing board) would hold me responsible to know when it is appropriate to pit - regardless if that is the standing order. we don't just follow orders blindly. when i first put her on the monitor - she was contracting 2-3 minutes, in a pretty regular manner, and they were strong, and obviously her cervix was changing, so even though i mixed the pitocin, i didn't hang it immediately because of the fear of hyperstimulation. after about 20 minutes - they became a little irregular, and i was mixing the antibiotics/getting supplies for epidural because they want them ready when they arrive, plus helping with the pp patients on the floor, so i was going to hang it the next time i went into her room, but her family came to the desk, and said she was crying for pain medicine, so i called surgery and found out it was going to be about 30 minutes before the crna to come for epidural, so i ran to get her some pain meds, and that's what led up to my delay. it was certainly all about his convenience! absolutely! i just got an e-mail from the girl who relieved me - she said that she never turned the pit above the initial 6mu - and that the patient was complete by 10am! so, i mean the pit probably helped some, but does not deny the fact it's almost 99% certain that the patient would have easily progressed on her own - just wasn't even given the chance. there are many things this doc does that is questionable, and i have many times charted to the excess to cover by butt. the other ob is aware - and gripes about him also. but...nothings ever done about it!

Specializes in Med Surg, Geri.

That is awfull & unprofessional of the MD. Sorry it happened to you. Just do what is BEST FOR YOU!!!

Specializes in Operating Room Nursing.

Yeah i'd be telling him that in future you are not going to put up with being yelled at in front of other employees. Whether or not he has a mental illness is NOT your problem and no excuse for bullying behavior. I would have yelled right back at him and told him to back off. This person is bullying you and has succeeded in upsetting you. I would not let this happen again.

Also sounds like your workmates did nothing either by scurrying off like a good little slave to do his bidding. But that's just typical. It's about time nurses started sticking up for one another. No wonder the docs think they can get away with it.

You probably have a thicker skin then you think, you were just caught off guard and shocked by his inappropriate behavior. It might not be the last time you get a butt chewing, but you'll certainly be more preparred next time and able to fend off his bullying more suitable to you.

I've learned that keeping my cool and defending my actions genarally makes the bullies feel like a jerk and earns me respect. I'm also lucky to have a supervisor that has my back.

Specializes in OB/PP/Nsy.
I work in a small hospital, in a small town, and if a doctor is rude to me I tell him off, end of story. :devil:

Glad you are able to stand up for yourself! It takes a strong person to do this!

it's easy for us to spew off, what you should be telling this doc.

but as scarlet said, you need to deal w/this, within your own comfort zone.

i think you already know, his behavior was beyond unacceptable.

however you get that across to him, just know, that you somehow have to let him have it.

if you're comfortable with a personal apology, then that's all that matters.

conversely, if a public apology is what you want, then go for it.

only you know what you can personally handle, or not.

by nature, i am one of those reputed battle axes.

yet i've been taking a lot of crap from a coworker, these past couple of months.

she's been going through a lot of personal stuff, and i've been trying to be patient.

next time i see her, she probably won't know what hit her.

i've had it.

our last dealings, was the final straw for me.

and so, when i do 'politely' chew her sorry a$$ out (and in private), she probably will have never seen it coming.

i think it all depends on the nature of the professional relationship at hand.

just by virtue of him being a doctor, doesn't automatically mean i'm going to put my warrior mask on.

only you know that nature of your relationship.

but as in any relationship, it is always about respect being a 2 way street.

wishing you only the best.

leslie

Specializes in LTC, Med/Surg, Peds, ICU, Tele.
Glad you are able to stand up for yourself! It takes a strong person to do this!

Actually, I think it has something to do with this peri-menopause. I just don't put up with stuff anymore. :angryfire

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