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SmilingBluEyes

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 25 years experience. 20,878 Posts

1 hour ago, BeatsPerMinute said:

Maybe a bit of both? 

People who are gasping, probs low on systemic O2, feeling unwell, and are experiencing high levels of anxiety - they aren't exactly in their right minds. Both physiological and psychological components exist there 

But they were in their right minds when they chose deliberately not to protect themselves in the first place. My empathy is fast running out here.

BeatsPerMinute, BSN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 8 years experience. 277 Posts

5 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

But they were in their right minds when they chose deliberately not to protect themselves in the first place. My empathy is fast running out here.

... we don't know for certain if, how, when they were in their right minds, either 

nonetheless I empathize with the empathy bucket running on fumes. It's tough right now. appreciate your share! 

SmilingBluEyes

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis. Has 25 years experience. 20,878 Posts

On 10/20/2021 at 7:24 PM, BeatsPerMinute said:

... we don't know for certain if, how, when they were in their right minds, either 

nonetheless I empathize with the empathy bucket running on fumes. It's tough right now. appreciate your share! 

good point. But most were! Odds are in favor of that.

guest1163268

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On 10/20/2021 at 10:24 PM, BeatsPerMinute said:

... we don't know for certain if, how, when they were in their right minds, either 

nonetheless I empathize with the empathy bucket running on fumes. It's tough right now. appreciate your share! 

They are clearly exhibiting cult like behaviors, which when analyzed almost always show the members to be low IQ, vulnerable because of intelligence and frustration from issues they themselves created through poor choices which is almost always a result of uneducated parents who weren't able to really understand how to navigate life in general. 

They are born, live, procreate and die! They never chart a pathway for their children or provide them with the required information re how to solve their problems. 

And this is the result. Clueless, mindless workers being enslaved and abused by the better educated, better prepared and those with vision! 

As it should be! 

You give empathy to children and those incapable individuals who were born that way. Antivaxxers and trumpistas who are the prevalent statistics being discussed, might just be doing us a favor? 

2BS Nurse, BSN

Has 9 years experience. 568 Posts

Ouch!! this post got sneakily political!

"If it weren't for people making poor life choices how many patients would we really have?"

Have we forgotten about justice? Giving the same quality of care to every patient regardless of socio-economic status? Yes, many people make poor life choices, but there are circumstances (mental illness, poverty, lack of education, learning disabilities, history of physical and mental abuse) that play a part. Remember Maslow's hierarchy? I consider myself lucky to have the base needs met which allow me to practice self-actualization. Many others do not!

Also, our society markets (unhealthy food, sedentary lifestyle, vaping, alcohol, sex, etc.) to the young and social media is making it worse. Whatever sells in our society is a priority, not the health of our children.

subee, MSN, CRNA

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired. Has 50 years experience. 3,548 Posts

21 minutes ago, 2BS Nurse said:

Ouch!! this post got sneakily political!

"If it weren't for people making poor life choices how many patients would we really have?"

Have we forgotten about justice? Giving the same quality of care to every patient regardless of socio-economic status? Yes, many people make poor life choices, but there are circumstances (mental illness, poverty, lack of education, learning disabilities, history of physical and mental abuse) that play a part. Remember Maslow's hierarchy? I consider myself lucky to have the base needs met which allow me to practice self-actualization. Many others do not!

Also, our society markets (unhealthy food, sedentary lifestyle, vaping, alcohol, sex, etc.) to the young and social media is making it worse. Whatever sells in our society is a priority, not the health of our children.

What made it political?  Just because patients cause themselves great harm doesn't mean we dislike them or that we care for them less.  People are just people and we have to meet them where they are.....even if they are responsible for their own predicaments.  But as I type this I wonder if there is anything political about allowing unobstructed commerce to give people easy access to all the crap that makes us sick.

Emergent, RN

Specializes in ER. Has 29 years experience. 2 Articles; 3,860 Posts

On 10/20/2021 at 4:22 PM, JBMmom said:

I thought it was such a ridiculous movie to watch, but the premise has struck me many times over the years as a sad commentary on society. We just have to hope we never get that far....

I agree on the movie. Not the greatest and totally sophomoric. The subject matter deserves a much darker and realistic approach. Some of the mutant movies of the 1980s did better justice to this type of topic.

chare

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6 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

They are clearly exhibiting cult like behaviors, which when analyzed almost always show the members to be low IQ, vulnerable because of intelligence and frustration from issues they themselves created through poor choices which is almost always a result of uneducated parents who weren't able to really understand how to navigate life in general. 

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Regarding those discussed in the article, which cult would you be referring to?

cpbuttercup

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It floors me that this was even brought up as a discussion in such a harsh manor towards patients and then to read some of the comments on here. Yes we can all agree that the general population is certainly not well educated enough in our field of medicine to diagnose themselves and/or how to treat them. We know the majority of the population searches Google for medical info. but they don’t truly understand what they’re reading and the A&P of the body. Give them a break. We went to school for this and it took us years not days to understand it, AND getting right to my point in this, how many medical professionals don’t take care of themselves? How many are overweight, obese, diabetic, smokers, cancer survivors from past history of not taking care of themselves? How many are single parents trying to make ends meet that can’t afford the healthiest food or lifestyle some of you are talking about? AND these are people who SHOULD know BETTER because they know about the body and how harmful all of this is. Don’t expect all of the general population to “GET IT” when some of the members of the medical profession don’t even “DO IT” themselves. The best we can do is explain it, give them all the information and hopefully they’ll be open to listen and change. 

AngelKissed857, BSN, RN

Specializes in Nephrology Home Therapies, Wound Care, Foot Care.. 434 Posts

What I don’t understand is that the same patient who comes to us with a broken leg or bronchitis, or diabetes will trust the information and treatment we provide. But when it comes to COVID- then everyone except us knows better. That’s fine- so call your local politician or Fox News when you can’t breathe. SMH…

LokelaniRN

Specializes in Pediatrics. 30 Posts

On 10/19/2021 at 4:07 PM, hherrn said:

There is some of both.  But, neither is what is driving this effort to prevent precautions and vaccinations.

cui bono?  Who benefits from the culture war perpetuating the pandemic?  Look at the politicians, look at the media personalities pushing the resistance to vaccination.  For the most part, they are wealthy, vaccinated, and make money when people buy what they are selling.

This is nothing new.  An hour ago, I saw a beater vehicle with a a couple dressed in dirty, worn out clothing with a bumper sticker showing support for economic policies designed by, and for, billionaires.  They bought into a narrative that told them these policies would benefit them.  They were exposed to a massive advertising campaign paid for by the true beneficiaries.  This stuff works.  That's why billions annually are spent on it.

No point in blaming the victims.  Irrelevant whether it is stupidity, cognitive dissonance, or misplaced hope that Tucker Carlson cares about them.  

We need to focus on the con artists, not the conned.

 

Who are the con artists that you speak of? What is the political party on the car bumper sticker that you noted? 

toomuchbaloney

Has 44 years experience. 7,984 Posts

52 minutes ago, LokelaniRN said:

Who are the con artists that you speak of? What is the political party on the car bumper sticker that you noted? 

Trump is a con artist. The bumper sticker is Trump 2024. That's my guess, what's your guess?