I am not sure if it is true or not, but I heard that RNs get a little extra pay when they work on a day where nursing students are present. If the charge RN assigned a student to an RN, then they get the extra pay.
I am talking about college nursing students not training a new employee.
It just came on top of my head because I have been assigned to lousy RNs during my clinical rotations and it feels like they should be more engaged with students
You seem to feel very personally attacked by me, although I don't really understand why. I apologize if anything I said sounded patronizing, but you seem to do it well yourself. Everything I said was said dead-pan. I did think it was quite an odd question, seeing as it's not something you necessarily need personal experience with to be able to distinguish. And why is this in relation to my being a student? You're not my instructor nor any advisor to me, so why would that affect how you communicate with me?
I know you love yourself a lot, but since the topic is are nurses paid to teach, really no one is interested in hearing about you, you, you oh yeah, or you.
It was unnecessary, boorish and quite offensive to expound on your expectations of the professional Nursing staff considering that you are highly inexperienced. Not a smart move.
While I hear you and will consider making changes, is it not unethical being so anonymous online? Shouldn't we fight for more transparency and have policies in place that protect people from being unfairly judged against? It all just seems a bit disingenuous.
While I hear you and will consider making changes, is it not unethical being so anonymous online? Shouldn't we fight for more transparency and have policies in place that protect people from being unfairly judged against? It all just seems a bit disingenuous.
No, it's not remotely unethical or disingenuous, however you meant to use that word. Guessing you are not currently employed in the healthcare field? If you were, you surely would have experienced an orientation that specifically advises employees on the proper use of social media in order to remain employed.
While I hear you and will consider making changes, is it not unethical being so anonymous online? Shouldn't we fight for more transparency and have policies in place that protect people from being unfairly judged against? It all just seems a bit disingenuous.
No, being anonymous online is not even close to being unethical. In fact it allows us a much greater freedom of speech than if we were all required to post under our true identities. While this greater freedom can and does devolve into online arguments that probably wouldn't happen in real life, it also allows for some really good give and take and creates a place where differences of opinion can be enlightening and educating.
Not to mention if my boss knew it was me saying some of the things I've said here I could be on the unemployment line. Seriously, most companies have policies in place regarding social media and I am pretty sure most of us break those policies regularly.
As an ER and ICU nurse I love having students and having a hand in forming their attitudes about the job, patients and peers. It is hard, but very rewarding. You can be my student anytime you want. I have always thought that training the newbies is an honor. I know every nurse does not feel like I do. I have had some great preceptors and some horrible ones. I'm waving my magic wand over you with a prayer that from now on you will only get kind ones that want to teach and share.
As an ER and ICU nurse I love having students and having a hand in forming their attitudes about the job, patients and peers. It is hard, but very rewarding. You can be my student anytime you want. I have always thought that training the newbies is an honor. I know every nurse does not feel like I do. I have had some great preceptors and some horrible ones. I'm waving my magic wand over you with a prayer that from now on you will only get kind ones that want to teach and share.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
While I hear you and will consider making changes, is it not unethical being so anonymous online? Shouldn't we fight for more transparency and have policies in place that protect people from being unfairly judged against? It all just seems a bit disingenuous.
This site has always been anonymous -- more or less. It gives you the freedom to ask stupid questions without recourse from your real life colleagues and to spout uninformed, ignorant or unpopular opinions without the risk that your real life colleagues, classmates, professors or boss will will recognize and judge you accordingly. If you want more transparency, stick to FaceBook.
Specializes in Cath/EP lab, CCU, Cardiac stepdown.
Bottom line is this, staff nurses don't owe students anything. We are not required to take time out of our already hectic schedule to provide that education for you, that is the role of the clinical instructor and school. Does that mean we go out of our way to not teach you anything? No. That just means that if we're busy, you're not our priority.
If we have time, most of us would be more than happy to show you things. Think of it as a privilege and not a right. And what's stopping you from observing us while we are busy. If you think you can't learn anything from just observing, then you're not doing it right. Too many students on this thread is misinterpreting the responses from actual nurses. Just because the nurses are saying that they don't have to teach you, they're not saying they won't. In fact, I'm sure many of them still try a little even if they're busy.
The point is that they don't have to. And the whole thing on compensation is that they're getting paid to be there for the patients not the students. If they were paid to precept students then yes, they have to. But most aren't. And no, nursing is not all about compensation but anyone who says that compensation is not a factor is just a straight liar. I'll like to see that person work for free all the time and then tell me that compensation is not a factor, when you're working hard.
Specializes in Cath/EP lab, CCU, Cardiac stepdown.
There are so many misconceptions on this thread from students.
1) Nurses are not required to be nice to everyone. Caring is part of the profession, and we are caring to our patients, who is our priority. Does this mean we have to be nice to everyone else, ABSOLUTELY NOT. let's remember that nurses are humans.
2) If a nurse does not have time to teach you, it doesn't mean they're being mean to you. So stop saying that. We are caring for our patients, handling their family, communicating with the doctors, and other disciplines, while performing various tasks. We simply don't have time to think about you or be intentionally mean to you. Get over your egocentric thinking.
3) just because nurses are disagreeing with you, does not mean they're bullying you or being mean to you. Stop taking every disagreement as a personal affront. No one, at least the majority of nurses aren't, is saying they hate students. They are saying it's not their responsibility to teach you, and that they don't usually have the time to anyways. How does one interpret that as we hate you.
4) when nurses bring up the fact that students don't understand because they're not nurses yet, that is the truth. Let's review nursing school again. What do they teach you in therapeutic communication? Don't use "I know how you're feeling". Why? Because you don't know. Have you been in the role of a nurse and had to take on full assignments and more while being understaffed on nurses and aides? No? Then how do you know? Just because you shadow a nurse, it doesn't make you understand. You still don't know what goes on behind or what goes on inside.
5) when nurses say you don't know about the profession, they're not saying professional conduct. They're saying the nursing profession. Two complete different things.
Nurses have been nursing students before but nursing students, you haven't been nurses yet. And don't say that " you nurses obviously forgot what's it like to be a nursing student". No, no no no no. You don't forget. And not to mention I am a new grad. So no, I didn't forget. Just that I am now a nurse and I KNOW what's it like to be a nurse, and I KNOW how the NURSING PROFESSION is.
So please, stop taking it as an insult when nurses say they don't have time. The current working conditions really do prevent nurses from having time.
To reiterate, no we do not hate students(most of us at least, there are some that just hate everyone), we hate the situation, not the students. Give us less patients so we have more leeway to teach, but will that happen? Probably not. If we had the time we will teach. We just don't usually. Do we have to teach? No, no we don't.
There are so many misconceptions on this thread from students.
1) Nurses are not required to be nice to everyone. Caring is part of the profession, and we are caring to our patients, who is our priority. Does this mean we have to be nice to everyone else, ABSOLUTELY NOT. let's remember that nurses are humans.
2) If a nurse does not have time to teach you, it doesn't mean they're being mean to you. So stop saying that. We are caring for our patients, handling their family, communicating with the doctors, and other disciplines, while performing various tasks. We simply don't have time to think about you or be intentionally mean to you. Get over your egocentric thinking.
3) just because nurses are disagreeing with you, does not mean they're bullying you or being mean to you. Stop taking every disagreement as a personal affront. No one, at least the majority of nurses aren't, is saying they hate students. They are saying it's not their responsibility to teach you, and that they don't usually have the time to anyways. How does one interpret that as we hate you.
4) when nurses bring up the fact that students don't understand because they're not nurses yet, that is the truth. Let's review nursing school again. What do they teach you in therapeutic communication? Don't use "I know how you're feeling". Why? Because you don't know. Have you been in the role of a nurse and had to take on full assignments and more while being understaffed on nurses and aides? No? Then how do you know? Just because you shadow a nurse, it doesn't make you understand. You still don't know what goes on behind or what goes on inside.
5) when nurses say you don't know about the profession, they're not saying professional conduct. They're saying the nursing profession. Two complete different things.
Nurses have been nursing students before but nursing students, you haven't been nurses yet. And don't say that " you nurses obviously forgot what's it like to be a nursing student". No, no no no no. You don't forget. And not to mention I am a new grad. So no, I didn't forget. Just that I am now a nurse and I KNOW what's it like to be a nurse, and I KNOW how the NURSING PROFESSION is.
So please, stop taking it as an insult when nurses say they don't have time. The current working conditions really do prevent nurses from having time.
To reiterate, no we do not hate students(most of us at least, there are some that just hate everyone), we hate the situation, not the students. Give us less patients so we have more leeway to teach, but will that happen? Probably not. If we had the time we will teach. We just don't usually. Do we have to teach? No, no we don't.
icuRNmaggie, BSN, RN
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I know you love yourself a lot, but since the topic is are nurses paid to teach, really no one is interested in hearing about you, you, you oh yeah, or you.
It was unnecessary, boorish and quite offensive to expound on your expectations of the professional Nursing staff considering that you are highly inexperienced. Not a smart move.