I am not sure if it is true or not, but I heard that RNs get a little extra pay when they work on a day where nursing students are present. If the charge RN assigned a student to an RN, then they get the extra pay.
I am talking about college nursing students not training a new employee.
It just came on top of my head because I have been assigned to lousy RNs during my clinical rotations and it feels like they should be more engaged with students
This site has always been anonymous -- more or less. It gives you the freedom to ask stupid questions without recourse from your real life colleagues and to spout uninformed, ignorant or unpopular opinions without the risk that your real life colleagues, classmates, professors or boss will will recognize and judge you accordingly. If you want more transparency, stick to FaceBook.
The ability to spout off is the defining feature of internet forums. It's why conversations like this one drag on so long. There's no such thing as an argument going on too long on the internet. In person you can't argue for a week. You'd lose your job. People would stop talking to you. On the internet your posts can be hanging around pissing people off while you do other things (see: libertarian nurse, anything I wrote more than 24 hours ago, etc). Random strangers can come along and be outraged for days or weeks after you've forgotten what you said. Then you can come back when you feel feisty (which is more common for some of us than others, it seems), be outraged back at them, and pick up where you left off.
You are aware that Jean Watson is not...how do I put it nicely?...not held in high regard by most practicing nurses? (Pop some popcorn and do a search on nursing theory.)
But in any case, we care deeply. About our patients. About self-entitled, very special snowflakes, not so much.
Also since you bring up caring, why is it that I can count on one hand the number of students on these threads, who care about the overworked staff nurse expected to do the CI's job for free?
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You are aware that Jean Watson is not...how do I put it nicely?...not held in high regard by most practicing nurses? (Pop some popcorn and do a search on nursing theory.)
But in any case, we care deeply. About our patients. About self-entitled, very special snowflakes, not so much.
Also since you bring up caring, why is it that I can count on one hand the number of students on these threads, who care about the overworked staff nurse expected to do the CI's job for free?
Where's the compassion for the overworked staff nurse who cannot opt out of having a student?
I am not a STUDENT so please quit with the assumptions. I am on the other side of the stick and I am a registered nurse, who is working at a teaching hospital. I however remember quite well how it felt to be a student. Well, that's my two cents.
It almost baffles me how some of you nurses now try to blame my behavior on why a nurse couldn't teach me, when you guys are CLEARLY saying teaching is not a priority for you, admitting that you could care less to teach. Let's relax here. I still passed my classes and work at a very prestegious hospital. I feel for the students is all.
I WAS a student and was forced to follow a nurse. A nurse who chooses to avoid me for concern of their own patients I suppose is in no way my fault, nor will I feel guilty as such. However, I understand where some nurses come from in terms of being very busy, but there is still a way to convey that to a student without being harsh and rash.
Now, since you want to make assumptions, I am a Registered Nurse and I do work at a great hospital. I'm not saying it is easy, all I am saying is you guys seem to be taking your anger out on the wrong people [students] instead of perhaps the school, supervisor, etc. Students are just there to learn and complete their classes.
I also worry for the future of nursing if students are so hard to teach [since most nurses like you guys clearly want no hand at teaching them]. Again, I UNDERSTAND it is not your responsibility to teach them, but the students are expected to learn from nurses, even if it just means shadowing them for the day. I get your frustration, but I also get that a student has no say so in it either. So it just seems this whole venting of frustration to a student who asked just a simple question is pointless.
Unfortunately I simply replied to a couple of posts from many days ago without reading the updated comments. Although I definetely shouldn't have.
I just thank God I work at a teaching hospital where nurses take pride in not only educating the patient, but also the many students and volunteers who come to the floor as well. Guess its extra steps like that which have afforded us Magnet Status.
This back and forth bickering really has no end and is pointless, so I will end it here. At the end of the day, nurses who 'hate' teaching will still be placed with a student, and students in nursing programs will still be placed with a nurse... so I guess nothing changes in the end.
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The ability to spout off is the defining feature of internet forums. It's why conversations like this one drag on so long. There's no such thing as an argument going on too long on the internet. In person you can't argue for a week. You'd lose your job. People would stop talking to you. On the internet your posts can be hanging around pissing people off while you do other things (see: libertarian nurse, anything I wrote more than 24 hours ago, etc). Random strangers can come along and be outraged for days or weeks after you've forgotten what you said. Then you can come back when you feel feisty (which is more common for some of us than others, it seems), be outraged back at them, and pick up where you left off.