Covid Vaccine

macawake, MSN · Dec 1, 2020

14 hours ago, SWRNURSE said:

I have over 34 years experience in the hospital setting, and I am saying this whole mess has something going on more than a virus. I just read that they are in the process of implementing Passports that must Prove you have taken the vaccine Before you can fly! Be aware of scare tactics that create so much fear-people will do anything they are Told. Be cautious. Be judicious. But be wise. I'm not saying the virus is a hoax-but I am saying they have 'skewed' the stats from the beginning.

What is it that you think is going on ”more than the virus”?

Where did you read that ”they” are in the process of implementing vaccine passports that will be required if one wishes to get on an airplane?

Who’s ”they”? Which country or countries are we talking about here? Do you have a source for this information that you could link?

How would this work? There isn’t even a vaccine approved yet? And we don’t know if a booster shot will to needed at a regular interval? What if it’s like the flu vaccine and you need one every year? Would one have to apply for a new passport every year? This doesn’t sound overly plausible to me. Why are ”they” targeting air transport? To what end?

When you say that stats have been ”skewed”, what exactly are you saying? What is ”skewed”? The number of confirmed cases? Mortality numbers per 100,000? The CFR? IFR? The symptomatology associated with a Covid-19 infection? The possible reported sequelae? Something else I’ve failed to mention? Exactly what is it that you don’t believe?

Wuzzie · Dec 1, 2020

14 hours ago, SWRNURSE said:

But be wise. I'm not saying the virus is a hoax-but I am saying they have 'skewed' the stats from the beginning.

Cite your source please.

toomuchbaloney · Dec 1, 2020

15 hours ago, SWRNURSE said:

The idea that the public is given such contradictory information-since day one- is extremely concerning. We are told to social distance, yet we sit in restaurants, on airplanes, etc., and we eat, drink, etc. while our masks are off.

We are told young people are pretty much immune and less likely to gett Covid. We are told to wear our masks in public-Yet, we see thousands wearing their mask UNDER their nose. We see Government officials sneaking around without a mask; talking, drinking, eating, etc. We see businesses closed down, churches closed down-while bars and casinos run full force. The public has no faith in anyone anymore! I've seen medical professionals on TV with their mask under their nose! Do they, as doctors and nurses, etc., not Know that viruses are more likely to invade and survive through the nasal cavity than the mouth!? People are scared and they don't know where to turn, because they feel they can't trust anyone! WHY would people trust a vaccine that has not been given a thorough and proper research time? I do NOT trust this vaccine! There has never been a virus in the history of mankind that has gotten this kind of fear-mongering response from any government. Now, we shut down businesses one day, open others the next day, etc. It's Insane.

I have over 34 years experience in the hospital setting, and I am saying this whole mess has something going on more than a virus. I just read that they are in the process of implementing Passports that must Prove you have taken the vaccine Before you can fly! Be aware of scare tactics that create so much fear-people will do anything they are Told. Be cautious. Be judicious. But be wise. I'm not saying the virus is a hoax-but I am saying they have 'skewed' the stats from the beginning.

"They"

Who is the "they" that is skewing covid stats, the Trump administration?

allnurses Guide · Dec 1, 2020

I will be getting it the second its available. I am weary of having to stay home, weary of having to worry about catching it here at the hospital, weary of worrying about bringing it home to my loved ones.

Long term is an unknown. I am 50. I figure no matter what I am due for some health problems based on my age alone. I'll happily sign up and get the vaccine. Happily. It will be available to us at my hospital starting next week (Pfizer version). We are NOT required to take it.

allnurses Guide · Dec 1, 2020

15 hours ago, SWRNURSE said:

At this point in time, I think a mandated vaccine is dangerous at best. People may not be required Yet...but being Coerced is just as wrong. Threatening people (staff or others) with the loss of jobs, income, travel, etc. is the same as 'forcing.' When you are so coerced that you have no choice, if you want to eat, pay your bills, and just live your life, firing people is putting them in a position of being forced to accept a vaccine they do not want, have no faith in, has not been proven, has no concept of future adverse effects, and is daily touted by labs around the world as a viable vaccine. If those who volunteered are fine with possible adverse effects, unknown side effects, etc., that was their 'choice.' We all did not volunteer. We all do not want this vaccine. I am a firm believer in vaccinations-always have been. But this is not a proven, time tested option. When a lab plays around with peoples DNA (mRNA), it's time to stop and think! Exactly when did we lose our freedom of choice?

This doesn't even make sense.

I am weary of the conspiracy theories being considered as possible truths. This is just silly. Covid is killing people. It's a virus. There are no freedoms being threatened here by anyone other than the virus itself. And my employer is NOT requiring vaccination. We are getting the vaccine next week. It's 100% voluntary. No threats. No coercion. Nada. This virus is worldwide. It is impacting 100% of the planet population. The idea that some nefarious sect got together in agreement and unleashed this as a threat to American values is just....crazy. Sorry. It is.

londonflo · Dec 1, 2020

On 11/28/2020 at 7:53 PM, Jack Peace said:

So the theory is, if one healthy person who takes care of their body has healthy diet maintains strict exercise patterns and everything else that involves avoiding being sick because they understand how the immune system works, if they decide to not receive a influenza or covid vaccine then all the sudden that same person is going to contract it without knowing and not feel sick and then give it to somebody else it's just completely insane.

That's why this is still only a theory. If you don't want the vaccine just say that. Don't diss it because you believe that you have the real prevention route with healthy diet, strict exercise patterns. and everything else that avoids being sick that will protect you. Magical thinking only works in fairy tales.

allnurses Guide · Dec 1, 2020

From last July: Promising Interim Results from Clinical Trial of NIH-Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine

CONCLUSIONS

The mRNA-1273 vaccine induced anti–SARS-CoV-2 immune responses in all participants, and no trial-limiting safety concerns were identified. These findings support further development of this vaccine. (Funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and others; mRNA-1273 ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04283461. opens in new tab).

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483

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Nov 30, 2020: FDA sets Dec. 17 review date after Moderna reports further success with Covid vaccine

Cambridge biotech Moderna Inc. will submit its first-ever application for drug approval today after new trial data shows its Covid-19 vaccine is 94% effective at preventing the virus.

Moderna identified 196 cases of Covid among the 30,000 participants in its Phase 3 clinical trial, according to data reviewed by an outside safety monitoring board. Approximately 11 of those cases were diagnosed in people who had taken Moderna’s vaccine, while the other 185 cases were found in the placebo group. The data backs up Moderna’s earlier estimate that its drug, known as MRNA-1273, is 94.5% effective at presenting the virus. The drug has not shown any serious safety issues to date.

The FDA’s vaccine advisory committee has already penciled in a Dec. 17 meeting to discuss the drug...

https://www.bizjournals.com/boston/news/2020/11/30/moderna-submits-covid-vaccine-for-fda-approval.html

kbrn2002, ADN, RN · Dec 2, 2020

On 11/29/2020 at 2:50 AM, NurseBlaq said:

I'm not for it and I'm no anti-vaxxer. There are many strains and people who've had the virus aren't immune and can catch it again because the antibodies aren't long-lasting. So if that's the case, how long do they expect this vax to provide immunity? What evidence supports it? Which strand does it provide immunity against? One of them? All of them? I have too many unanswered questions AND I'm leery of anything mandated that has nothing to support it. I am high risk but that doesn't mean a vax will be forced upon me as a test dummy.

I'm in agreement with you on this one. I'm not at all confident in the safety or effectiveness of this vaccine, at least not yet. I could be wrong here but it seems like all the studies touting the effectiveness and low incidents of adverse effects regarding the vaccines are being published by the companies that developed them. These are the very people that stand to profit from the mass distribution of their vaccine so trusting their studies without corroboration from outside agencies isn't something I am comfortable with.

Of course there are no long term studies yet, impossible since this is a new vaccine. I admit to being a little nervous about being part of what will essentially be a giant test group in the first wave of widely vaccinated people. I can see employers mandating this vaccine for employees when it becomes available or making the consequences for refusing so punitive they might as well mandate getting it though I hope they don't.

Babyboss 19, MSN, APRN · Dec 2, 2020

I would urge all HCPs to read over the interview of Dr. Paul Offit, a pediatrician, infectious disease specialist and developer of the Rotateq vaccine and others. Extremely thorough and well-organized podcast on how vaccines are made, the gov. barriers, long term immunity and risks of covid vaccines and why they think the immunity will mimic measles vs. flu vac. I felt less conflicted over getting vaccinated after reading.

You can read the bullet points, but the podcast is better for auditory learners. I prefer to get the Maderna over Pfizer vaccine after reading this, if given the choice. You'll see why.

“The difference between a good scientist and a bad scientist and a charlatan is that a good scientist can look at the data when they disagree with hypothesis and modify hypothesis.” —Peter Attia, MD

https://peterattiamd.com/pauloffit/

PS- THANK YOU to all the great human beings who participated in the vaccine trials. You are heroes.

MunoRN, RN · Dec 2, 2020

On 11/29/2020 at 1:29 AM, NurseBlaq said:

There is no research data, only the words of the drug companies competing to peddle their unchecked/unresearched/unchallenged/non-peer reviewed drugs. We have to take their word and that's it. I don't trust their word, especially in today's environment and in a year where several drug company admins have been charged/found guilty of deceiving the public about their product leading to ill effects on the public.

That's my point. There is no evidence yet they're trying to mandate a vax with zero supporting information.

Only you can decide what’s best for you and as I already mentioned, I don’t think that vaccines should mandated.

You're playing semantics. Mandated is forced especially if people are at risk of losing their income in a depression for not getting a vax they don't feel comfortable receiving. They're forced to comply or lose their jobs. What if they're in a saturated or rural area? It's the equivalent of being handcuffed and it's only being done because employers know this. They have too much authority over our physical being.

How did you arrive at this? They volunteered to be "test dummies", it wasn't forced upon them like it's being done/will be done to us. Volunteering and mandating are different things. Some "volunteers" get paid to participate in trials too so there's that as well.

Peer-reviewed publication of the studies along with independent confirmation of results is part of the process, the trials are also overseen by independent oversight groups.

Mandating vaccination for those who chose to work as nurses isn't 'forcing' it on anyone. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect nurses as part of their obligation to take basic steps to avoid harm to patients. Many, if not most of the patients in the hospital are at significantly higher risk of mortality and morbidity from Covid, why should nurses who choose to not decrease their risk of transmitting Covid to those patient be allowed to work there?

Jack Peace · Dec 2, 2020

6 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Many, if not most of the patients in the hospital are at significantly higher risk of mortality and morbidity from Covid

Those people are also at a higher risk of falling, higher risk of influenza, higher risk of resp and cardiac failure, higher risk of cardiac arrest, higher risk of common cold, higher risk of bacterial pneumonia. Anyone who is immunocompromised in any way whether that is due to comorbidities, nutrition, obesity, old age is going to be at a "higher risk" of developing many different ailments. You have to accept the fact that this vaccine is not going to widely accepted. Deal with it.

londonflo · Dec 2, 2020

1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:

Those people are also at a higher risk of falling, higher risk of influenza, higher risk of resp and cardiac failure, higher risk of cardiac arrest, higher risk of common cold, higher risk of bacterial pneumonia.

They are also at a higher risk:

Adult onset diabetes, Arthritis, Kidney and bladder problems, Dementia, Parkinson's Disease, Glaucoma, Cataracts, Osteoporosis, Enlarged prostate, Alzheimer's Disease, Macular degeneration, Depression

And yet they survive.

1 hour ago, Jack Peace said:

You have to accept the fact that this vaccine is not going to widely accepted. Deal with it.

Don't make choices for others. If you don't want it fine. Stop berating those who may.