Covid Vaccine

[Nurseybl06]

I’m sure you all know about the COVID vaccine and the plan to first vaccinate healthcare workers. How does everyone feel about this vaccine ? I personally do not want it..Where are the long term studies. IDK it’s worrisome to me that it will prob be mandated for us 

[kbrn2002, ADN, RN]

On 12/23/2020 at 8:46 PM, SansNom said:

This is definitely a concerning statistic.

My only question regarding this V-safe source in your link is that it's a "smartphone-based tool that uses text messaging and web surveys to provide personalized health check-ins after you receive a COVID-19 vaccination" (https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafe.html). From what I can tell, the data it collects is based on people receiving the vaccine and then bothering to register and set up an account.

When I got my vaccine, I was never told about V-safe, and so I definitely didn't register for it and I doubt anyone else in my facilities did either. I'm guessing my facilities are not the only ones nationwide who weren't pushing this system, and even if they did of course everyone's not going to bother participating. I've never heard of it until I started looking into your link, and I suspect that the majority of people getting the vaccine are not registering and reporting their vaccine experience. Could also explain why the last data is from 5 days ago........

So it just makes me wonder how reliable it is as an accurate reflection of the whole. Was anyone else reading this who got the vaccine told about V-safe?

I never heard of this V-safe either. If they want people's input post vaccine I wonder why the information to register isn't part of the mandatory vaccine information sheet they hand out? Anyway, I was vaccinated the 27th at work, the Moderna vaccine is the one that we received.  My arm is sore as heck but that's been the only side effect with the first dose. Rumor has it that the 2nd dose is when the side effects of feeling ill for a couple of days is common. I guess I'll find out in a month if that's going to be the case for me. I did register at V-safe so my experience will be part of the data collected. The more people that register and submit their information the more accurate the reflection will be.

[JVBT, ASN]

7 minutes ago, kbrn2002 said:

If they want people's input post vaccine I wonder why the information to register isn't part of the mandatory vaccine information sheet they hand out

It was. For everyone at my site who got vaccinated, at least. I'm answering their daily surveys. Yes, second vaccine's effects tell your immune system to start working, and you will feel it, but it passes quickly.

[JenTheSchoolRN, BSN, RN]

On 1/28/2021 at 11:14 AM, Nurse SMS said:

I am just now reading through this thread but just wanted to pipe up that my institution IS giving out the info on VSafe and has been from the beginning. I used it for both of my doses.

I got V-Safe info big and boldly printed on my information sheet I got when I got Moderna #1. There was a QR code to scan and made it very easy to access and sign-up. And you just click on the text link they send daily. Super convenient.  

[Wuzzie]

We were given the website to register and most of us did. I have dutifully logged my symptoms in after both vaccines. To my surprise the second dose took me completely out. I am still recovering 36 hours later. Not sure I agree with it passing quickly but it’s definitely better than getting COVID. FTR it’s taking large swathes of staff members down including the entire department of anesthesia who were all vaccinated on the same day. My unit alone has had about 85% of the staff having to call off after the second dose due to fevers and other side effects. This does not correlate at all with the numbers they found during clinical trials but every staff member was truly sick. We are not sure what has caused the higher percentage although I have my suspicions and no, no not any conspiracy theories. 

[JenTheSchoolRN, BSN, RN]

2 hours ago, Wuzzie said:

We were given the website to register and most of us did. I have dutifully logged my symptoms in after both vaccines. To my surprise the second dose took me completely out. I am still recovering 36 hours later. Not sure I agree with it passing quickly but it’s definitely better than getting COVID. FTR it’s taking large swathes of staff members down including the entire department of anesthesia who were all vaccinated on the same day. My unit alone has had about 85% of the staff having to call off after the second dose due to fevers and other side effects. This does not correlate at all with the numbers they found during clinical trials but every staff member was truly sick. We are not sure what has caused the higher percentage although I have my suspicions and no, no not any conspiracy theories. 

Interesting.

I'm a school nurse, and educators will be soon eligible. I warned my bosses (non nurses) that we need to be aware some staff may need to call out for a day or so after receiving the vaccine due to side effects (more likely after shot #2) and we need to continue to be prepared with appropriate subs. 

[TheMoonisMyLantern, LPN, RN]

We had large amounts of call ins after the second dose as well. A lot of people really struggled for a couple days post vaccination. I had some aches and pains but luckily it didn't take me out. 

[fivestar719]

When we look at the Code of Ethics for Nurses - one of the first provisions is that the nurse will focus on respect for human dignity and the right for self-determination.

When it comes to cultural competence, we demonstrate respect for others cultural and religious beliefs even when those beliefs conflict with treatment plans.

It would be considered unethical for me to administer a blood transfusion to a patient who declines the use of blood transfusions as a matter of faith. It would be considered unethical for a nurse to administer a blood transfusion to a patient who declines - even if it's just for personal reasons - like a patient is afraid of receiving blood for fear of contamination (for example). 

How does the provision of respect for human dignity and the right for self-determination translate when it comes to a nurses right to choose whether or not he or she wants to receive the COVID vaccine? 

[toomuchbaloney]

10 hours ago, fivestar719 said:

When we look at the Code of Ethics for Nurses - one of the first provisions is that the nurse will focus on respect for human dignity and the right for self-determination.

When it comes to cultural competence, we demonstrate respect for others cultural and religious beliefs even when those beliefs conflict with treatment plans.

It would be considered unethical for me to administer a blood transfusion to a patient who declines the use of blood transfusions as a matter of faith. It would be considered unethical for a nurse to administer a blood transfusion to a patient who declines - even if it's just for personal reasons - like a patient is afraid of receiving blood for fear of contamination (for example). 

How does the provision of respect for human dignity and the right for self-determination translate when it comes to a nurses right to choose whether or not he or she wants to receive the COVID vaccine? 

No one is being forced to vaccinate.  Everyone (adult) gets to choose for themselves. That's how it translates. 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

On 11/29/2020 at 3:18 AM, macawake said:

However, I don’t agree with the of use the term ”forced” unless people are being tied up or handcuffed in place and subsequently injected. If that’s not what’s happening you still have a choice, even if it’s a hard one like leaving your job. 

I agree. I get tired of seeing that word used constantly. No competent adult (in the US anyway) is ever "forced" to get a vaccine without their consent. They may consent after feeling pressured/coerced/backed into a corner, but nevertheless, CONSENT must always be given before one is stuck with a needle containing any medication/vaccine.

 

[toomuchbaloney]

16 hours ago, Horseshoe said:

I agree. I get tired of seeing that word used constantly. No competent adult (in the US anyway) is ever "forced" to get a vaccine without their consent. They may consent after feeling pressured/coerced/backed into a corner, but nevertheless, CONSENT must always be given before one is stuck with a needle containing any medication/vaccine.

 

The language is propaganda intended to make the target feel angry about the vaccines and the push for everyone to vaccinate.  Some people are well equipped to find and follow messages of fear and grievance.  Their amygdalas have been over stimulated by their media choices. 

[fivestar719]

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace.

On 4/14/2021 at 6:40 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

No one is being forced to vaccinate.  Everyone (adult) gets to choose for themselves. That's how it translates. 

I did not use phrase "forced to vaccinate." That was your paraphrase.

[Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN]

13 minutes ago, fivestar719 said:

 

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace

 

Choices have consequences. We see this with the flu vaccine as well- if the employer requires it as a condition of employment, it is up to the employee to decide if they will accept the vaccine or seek another employer that matches their outlook. Many private companies in areas where mask mandates are being lifted are choosing to continue their own requirement to mask, which is their right. It is up to an individual to decide to wear the mask or not do business with that company.