Covid Vaccine

[Nurseybl06]

I’m sure you all know about the COVID vaccine and the plan to first vaccinate healthcare workers. How does everyone feel about this vaccine ? I personally do not want it..Where are the long term studies. IDK it’s worrisome to me that it will prob be mandated for us 

[MunoRN, RN]

1 hour ago, SansNom said:

Yeah, I didn't get anything at all of that nature, and I'm assuming none of my coworkers did either.

One of the requirements for administering the Pfizer vaccine under the EUA is to provide the recipient with information about the Vsafe program, which leaves it to (often dysfunctional) healthcare facilities to be compliant.  It would have made more sense to include that information on the CDC vaccination record that is provided but at least mine includes a review date of September 3rd, long before the Vsafe program came into being.  You can go to the website though at any point after vaccination.

[Jack Peace]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated

She added that in one case, a person who was ejected from a car was “counted as a COVID death” because the virus was in his system.

Franson said she and a team reviewed 2,800 “death certificate data points” and found that about 800 of them did not have the virus as the underlying cause of death.

[macawake, MSN]

On 12/23/2020 at 8:27 AM, Jack Peace said:

In case you weren't aware, there's usually 2 or 3 people on here that will bully you and try to discredit you after every post. They work for the pharmaceutical corporations so don't worry about them.

Gosh, I have no reason to suspect that my fellow posters are moles placed by the pharmaceutical companies. I’ve known most of them for years and they write posts on all sorts of different topics. They are known quantities. I’d be much more suspicious of a poster who joined less than a month ago and only posts about a single topic ?

[bsantos]

Pro-vaccine here. Anyone anti COVID science is an idiot. I'm already getting my 2nd vaccine this week. Get the vaccine.
-From the frustrations of a bedside COVID nurse

[OhHaiMark]

I was following another thread about this, but that one got a little out of control! So instead I'm posting my thoughts here. I feel the need to explain my reasoning, because it seems like a lot of vaccine-hesitant individuals are getting dumped on and their views dismissed outright. Don't worry, the initial offer of the vaccine that I declined no doubt went on to another person.

First, I think context is absolutely missing from a lot of these discussions. For example, I work out in the community. I am exposed to COVID yes, but not in the same way someone who is working in an acute care setting is. I do not see people suffering from COVID-19 on a daily basis, and in fact none of my close friends or family has had it. I participated in an antibody study, and as of December I had no antibodies. I also do not have any pre-existing conditions that make me more at risk for a bad outcome. Finally, I'm getting up in years and my partner and I would like to try for a kid, which makes me more nervous about a new vaccine. So, my risk-benefit ratio is very different from an acute care nurse, perhaps with a pre-existing condition. Add all this to the fact that I am very consistent about wearing a surgical mask, distancing, and not gathering with people like I normally would. 

The last issue that I have is the inconsistent messaging from the CDC and health authorities in general. There have been numerous instances now where the public has been told a "noble lie" because it was assumed we couldn't handle the truth. This includes Fauci and Trump, among others. Fauci admitted he advised against masks because he was afraid there would be a run on them, not because the science not there. Then, he changed his numbers on herd immunity, because he said he thought people would be more amenable to getting the vaccine if the herd immunity numbers seemed doable (he then increased them). Trump acted like the virus was no big deal, because he didn't want people to panic. Don't forget all the "great leaders" who beg the public to stay at home, shut down businesses and ruin livelihoods, and then are caught maskless, vacationing, sometimes both. I can't take these people seriously anymore.

So, while I would love a vaccine, there is not enough long-term science for me to feel comfortable with mRNA vaccines as someone whose trying to et pregnant. Or for mRNA vaccines to be given to kids. I am hopeful that all will prove well, and healthcare can be revolutionized with this mRNA technology. But I'm not going to take some politician or doctor who might be under the influence of politics or money and wants me to get it. I'm not a virologist or immunologist, and even among those groups it seems there is not complete agreement. If my employer decides to use "soft force" and attempt to coerce me into getting a vaccine I don't want or am not ready for, I would take them to court, or just find another job. 

 

 

 

 

[SansNom]

7 hours ago, OhHaiMark said:

I feel the need to explain my reasoning, because it seems like a lot of vaccine-hesitant individuals are getting dumped on and their views dismissed outright.

Although I don't agree with all of your rationale, I appreciate your thought out reasoning and explanation. I can respect this kind of thinking, it's the gullible conspiracy-swallowing morons I have trouble accepting.

[JVBT, ASN]

I'm reading that Biden is going to "speed the release of vaccines." But has a proper conclusion/assessment of the issue really been done? Is this truly a supply problem? Or is it an implementation, organizational, administration one? It seems the latter, to me. According to what I'm reading, it risks not having a second dose ready when one is due for it. I'm not liking this decision, on the face of it.

[toomuchbaloney]

49 minutes ago, JVBT said:

I'm reading that Biden is going to "speed the release of vaccines." But has a proper conclusion/assessment of the issue really been done? Is this truly a supply problem? Or is it an implementation, organizational, administration one? It seems the latter, to me. According to what I'm reading, it risks not having a second dose ready when one is due for it. I'm not liking this decision, on the face of it.

What decision? 

It sounds more like the information/speculation you've read or heard has sparked feelings. 

[JVBT, ASN]

52 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What decision? 

It sounds more like the information/speculation you've read or heard has sparked feelings. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/08/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Biden says he will release nearly all available coronavirus vaccine before second doses are administered

[toomuchbaloney]

9 minutes ago, JVBT said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/08/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/

Biden says he will release nearly all available coronavirus vaccine before second doses are administered

Thank you for the citation, I stand corrected.  It's truly a conundrum.  

All of this was so avoidable. 

[JVBT, ASN]

15 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Thank you for the citation, I stand corrected.  It's truly a conundrum.  

All of this was so avoidable. 

It is, in Paul Offit's words, "an unnecessary bet."

[TheMoonisMyLantern, LPN, RN]

Biden's decision makes me nervous as well. In the beginning of the vaccine rollout  Pfizer and Moderna said it was critical that a second dose was received in 3-4 weeks of the first dose. Now they're saying Oh you can wait up to 12 weeks and it'll be just fine! If they studied the vaccine being administered at 3-4 weeks how can it be just fine to speculate that going up to 12 weeks will be just as effective? One article I read had an immunologist say that theoretically giving 12 weeks between injections could boost effectiveness, but I just don't think it's a good idea to deviate from how the vaccine was studied.