Covid Vaccine

[Nurseybl06]

I’m sure you all know about the COVID vaccine and the plan to first vaccinate healthcare workers. How does everyone feel about this vaccine ? I personally do not want it..Where are the long term studies. IDK it’s worrisome to me that it will prob be mandated for us 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

22 minutes ago, fivestar719 said:

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace.

 

That's true. Proof of vaccination in order to travel is nothing new. It's not universally applied, but vaccination requirements in order to enter certain countries have been a thing since at least the 1940s.

It may well become a requirement for employment, just as many hospitals have required the flu vaccine in order to remain employed.

I personally have never been required to be vaccinated against any disease as a condition of employment. I did have to meet vaccine requirements when I was a student nurse, however. 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

On 4/14/2021 at 10:24 AM, fivestar719 said:

How does the provision of respect for human dignity and the right for self-determination translate when it comes to a nurses right to choose whether or not he or she wants to receive the COVID vaccine? 

I predict it will translate the same as it does for flu vaccine requirements. The employer will respect the nurse's right to choose whether or not (s)he wants to receive the COVID vaccine, and the nurse will respect the employer's right to terminate the nurse so that (s)he may seek employment from an entity that makes no such requirement.

[toomuchbaloney]

40 minutes ago, fivestar719 said:

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace.

I did not use phrase "forced to vaccinate." That was your paraphrase.

LOL

You referenced administering something without consent...that's not going to happen with vaccines.  You are correct, people may disadvantage themselves with poorly informed vaccination choices. They may find that they don't have rights to access some businesses in the absence of vaccination. Their choice.  It's easy to do the right thing in this instance...just get the vaccine. 

[Wuzzie]

1 hour ago, fivestar719 said:

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace.

Consequences suck don't they?

[MunoRN, RN]

1 hour ago, fivestar719 said:

There is legitimate fear that if one chooses NOT to receive the vaccine, that they may possibly not be allowed to fly or return to the workplace.

I did not use phrase "forced to vaccinate." That was your paraphrase.

I'm not sure why choosing to put others at increased risk shouldn't then result in rules that limit the effect that choice has on others.

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:40 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

No one is being forced to vaccinate.  Everyone (adult) gets to choose for themselves. That's how it translates. 

True that. However, adults understand that actions have consequences. If one is “You can’t work here anymore,” the adult factors that into the decision. You have no right to a job that has reason to keep potentially infectious staffers out of the building. 

[toomuchbaloney]

50 minutes ago, Hannahbanana said:

True that. However, adults understand that actions have consequences. If one is “You can’t work here anymore,” the adult factors that into the decision. You have no right to a job that has reason to keep potentially infectious staffers out of the building. 

Antivaxxers want to make that choice for vaccination into a mandate that they personally must vaccinate. They see that employment vaccination requirement as them being "forced" to vaccinate and try to communicate that perspective.  

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

Wow, yes indeed, don’t I know it. But they aren’t that great at critical thinking, so they sorta leaped to that for no good reason. Doesn’t matter. They’ll come to understand that...or they won’t. :)

[fivestar719]

On 5/7/2021 at 10:21 AM, MunoRN said:

I'm not sure why choosing to put others at increased risk shouldn't then result in rules that limit the effect that choice has on others.

What *really* are the risks we are looking at. Are we as a society struggling with the basic concepts of risk?

[fivestar719]

On 12/4/2020 at 12:08 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

Your remark is mostly baloney.

Providing patient education according to your personal feelings rather than recommended schedules and current science is unprofessional.  Spreading misinformation about a deadly pandemic is irresponsible and unprofessional. 

More than 80% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people over age 65, and more than 95% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people older than 45.

#scienceisreal

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, fivestar719 said:

More than 80% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people over age 65, and more than 95% of COVID-19 deaths occur in people older than 45.

#scienceisreal

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

Easily verifiable information, as far as the actual reporting is is accurate. Not all of the states are reliable reporters at this time.  

[fivestar719]

14 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

Easily verifiable information, as far as the actual reporting is is accurate. Not all of the states are reliable reporters at this time.  

"as far as the actual reporting is is accurate" ???

We can doubt the credibility of the COVID numbers, but #scienceisreal when it comes to the safety of the vaccine?