CDC states only 10,000 patients died DIRECTLY from Covid

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http://www.drugawareness.org/breaking-news-from-CDC-on-real-covid-death-figures/

Only 10,000 patient have died directly from contracting COVID19. The rest had  underlying medical conditions.

Have we been wrong in they way we shut down America?  Was this all political BS?

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/new-CDC-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

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8 minutes ago, dalavanj said:

My docs are good people but I think they do what administrators tell them. I know this practice is highly illegal but it’s still very prevalent. What I wanted to point out is that it’s an issue. That’s all. How it affects the numbers, I don’t know. 

 

Nonsense. You know.  You are silently complicit if you are accurately representing the practice at your place of employment and you aren't reporting what you know.   You are not a victim. When you see something say something.  Right is right, wrong is wrong. 

 

Medicare fraud can be reported to 1-800-HHS-TIPS (1-800-447-8477). You also can contact your local FBI or HHS-OIG offices or your state’s Medicaid fraud office.

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nonsense. You know.  You are silently complicit if you are representing the practice at your place of employment.  You are not a victim. When toy see something say something.  Right is right, wrong is wrong. 

 

Medicare fraud can be reported to 1-800-HHS-TIPS (1-800-447-8477). You also can contact your local FBI or HHS-OIG offices or your state’s Medicaid fraud 

thanks! I have these numbers. No need to be rude. I thought this was an open discussion. I do not feel like this is an open environment and will no longer participate. 

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Most RNs don't sign death certificates.  Even if Dala suspected Drs were doing that she can't prove it as she isn't signing the certificate.  I also can't imagine why a RN would need to review a certificate of death in a patient's chart.

1 minute ago, dalavanj said:

I do not feel like this is an open environment and will no longer participate

I'm sorry that some of our contributors lack manners.  Adults and nurses should be respectful of each other.  This forum proves a few of us refuse to play nicely.

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3 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

Most RNs don't sign death certificates.  Even if Dala suspected Drs were doing that she can't prove it as she isn't signing the certificate.  I also can't imagine why a RN would need to review a certificate of death in a patient's chart.

I'm sorry that some of our contributors lack manners.  Adults and nurses should be respectful of each other.  This forum proves a few of us refuse to play nicely.

Spreading propaganda and misinformation is not "nice".

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1 hour ago, dalavanj said:

My docs are good people but I think they do what administrators tell them. I know this practice is highly illegal but it’s still very prevalent. What I wanted to point out is that it’s an issue. That’s all. How it affects the numbers, I don’t know. 

 

If you’re aware of fraud I’m pretty sure your hospital’s fraud oversight expects you to report it.

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2 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Interesting read on how the lockdown didn't slow the spread and how reopenings didn't speed up the spread of Covid

BTW There were quite a few assumptions made in the study design and results.

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TrendMacro, my analytics firm, tallied the cumulative number of reported cases of Covid-19 in each state and the District of Columbia as a percentage of population, based on data from state and local health departments aggregated by the Covid Tracking Project. 

This writer is using the wsj as a commercial for HIMSELF and his company. This screen shot is from his website. He's all over touting his study and analytics firm. Hedging his bets for a government appointment?

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3 hours ago, dalavanj said:

thanks! I have these numbers. No need to be rude. I thought this was an open discussion. I do not feel like this is an open environment and will no longer participate. 

I think it best to report any physician falsifying a death certificate, a diagnosis, or other falsehood. You can look up your state Board of Medicine here: 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=State+Boards+of+Medicine&t=hp&ia=web&iai=r1-1&page=1&adx=prdsdc&sexp={"v7exp"%3A"a"%2C"sltexp"%3A"b"%2C"prodexp"%3A"b"%2C"prdsdexp"%3A"c"%2C"biaexp"%3A"b"%2C"wiadrk"%3A"b"%2C"langexp"%3A"b"}

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3 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

Most RNs don't sign death certificates.  Even if Dala suspected Drs were doing that she can't prove it as she isn't signing the certificate.  I also can't imagine why a RN would need to review a certificate of death in a patient's chart.

I'm sorry that some of our contributors lack manners.  Adults and nurses should be respectful of each other.  This forum proves a few of us refuse to play nicely.

I applaud your advocating for civility, but you're also the poster that referred to people with liberal views as "libtards" earlier has referred to others has referred to others as unintelligent because they disagree with you.

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4 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Interesting read on how the lockdown didn't slow the spread and how reopenings didn't speed up the spread of Covid

I'm not sure how you got that from the article, even the author conceded "It could be that strict lockdowns were imposed as a response to already severe outbreaks", which is why the rate of cases continued to increase for one to two weeks after 'lockdowns' were implemented.  

The delay between when someone actually contracts the virus and when they have a positive COVID result is typically close to 2 weeks.  The normal course of the illness typically involves a latent / incubation period, followed by a period of mild or even absence of symptoms, then more severe symptoms which is when a large portion of the population will seek testing.  

This is why we expect the case count to continue rising after implementing any measure that we expect to reduce the transmission.

The author of the your opinion article is correct that nearly all case peaks occur after 'lockdowns' have been implemented, but that isn't evidence that they don't work, that's what we would expect to see when they do work.  

It also ignores the consistency with which transmission-based restrictions result in reduced cases, and removing those restrictions results in increased cases.

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Most graduate nursing programs require a research course where the RN learns to discern between quality, evidence-based, peer-reviewed information and junk science. FNP2B1, did your APRN program include a research course? If not, I would highly recommend enrolling in a graduate level nursing research course. I don't say this to be rude, but it is genuinely a patient safety issue if you, as a provider, aren't able to differentiate between legitimate scientific data and quackery. 

I would also recommend taking continuing education courses on the clinical progression of covid if you're truly working as a provider in family practice. Primary care providers should be well-educated on the virus and stay current in their knowledge of current scientific data. (There's no need to stay informed about current conspiracies.)  It's important for you to understand some of the complications that can occur in serious cases. As critically thinking RNs, we are probably safe in assuming people with severe cases of covid have died much more frequently from the virus than people with mild cases presenting as allergy symptoms.  

As the tip of the iceberg, serious cases of covid have resulted in prolonged hypoxia, pneumonia, cardiac arrhythmias, heart failure, kidney failure, strokes due to clotting disorders.  If the progression of the covid virus CAUSES pneumonia in a patient before he dies, we would anticipate both covid AND pneumonia to be listed as contributing factors to the death, right?  So that patient, like most patients with serious cases of covid, wouldn't have "just" covid at the time of death... A critically thinking nurse can say oh, the pneumonia was secondary to the covid virus, and the patient wouldn't have developed covid-related pneumonia without covid, so this patient died from covid/complications of covid.

Another example is that 2/3 of American adults are overweight or obese... These might be listed as factors contributing to a covid patient's death because obese patients are experiencing more severe cases of covid/complications. When these people die of covid, it's not because they liked cheeseburgers... It's because covid killed them, and they happened to be obese.

My goodness... 

 

 

 

 

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FYI, FNP2B1 is a Dermatology NP per their posts

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On 9/2/2020 at 7:32 PM, FNP2B1 said:

As an adjunct professor I only ask questions where I know the answers.  I’m using this as a teaching moment.  I have hope even you can grasp a basic mathematical calculation.  

Why on earth is this necessary to say? This sounds incredibly smug for someone who seems keen on misinformation. 

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