CDC states only 10,000 patients died DIRECTLY from Covid

macawake, MSN · Sep 3, 2020

50 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

I have no desire to sell anything to you regarding data. If you're interested in looking better I can sell you a treatment with my J plasma device.

I'm reading data from the CDC. Your experience is your experience and can't be denied or debated. My experience talking among conservative medical professionals is that as a consensus we believe Covid 19 is over reported. The false positives from the PCR test are alarming. Even the NYT full of liberals wrote a piece about it. This link mentions their analysis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

The majority of deaths around the world are from nursing homes/assisted living facilities.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/05/26/nursing-homes-assisted-living-facilities-0-6-of-the-u-s-population-43-of-u-s-covid-19-deaths/#5db47e1274cd

We killed the economy to save some lives. We don't know how many people have now died from depression related suicides, physical violence at home, alcoholism and drug abuse because we shut the country down. To me, this is a case of the cure is worse than the illness.

Tracking ICU hospitalizations and deaths is a much better way to track the impact of the pandemic than solely looking at PCR verified infections. But of course it’s also preferrable that the tests used are both highly sensitive and highly specific. It you’re going to test, it’s helpful to get a correct result ?

I think that having a discussion about both the benefits and the risks/other consequences of measures taken in order to try to control the spread of an epidemic is legitimate. No one to my knowledge, knows what the 100% most optimal course of action is. In many ways, we’re in uncharted waters. We will likely not be able to analyze and evaluate the various implemented strategies until later.

About that plasma thingie, I’m a bit of an health nut. Healthy eating, lots and lots of exercise and only the very occasional 24-year-old single malt ? and I figure the day things start to wrinkle and sag a bit, that’s life ?

londonflo · Sep 3, 2020

10 minutes ago, macawake said:

We killed the economy to save some lives.

I am assuming your income was effected also during the shutdown. Do you also have hospital privileges and see the effects of the virus on the skin? I am just curious.

guest416560 · Sep 3, 2020

We took a hit with gen derm but cosmetics never slowed down . People still want Botox, fillers and younger looking skin. My dermatologist/plastic surgeon partner was doing facelifts and liposuction daily.

I make occasional visits to hospitals when requested but not often. I saw Covid toes once. It was an interesting finding from the virus.

MunoRN, RN · Sep 3, 2020

1 hour ago, FNP2B1 said:

I have no desire to sell anything to you regarding data. If you're interested in looking better I can sell you a treatment with my J plasma device.

I'm reading data from the CDC. Your experience is your experience and can't be denied or debated. My experience talking among conservative medical professionals is that as a consensus we believe Covid 19 is over reported. The false positives from the PCR test are alarming. Even the NYT full of liberals wrote a piece about it. This link mentions their analysis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

The article makes no mention of people falsely testing positive for COVID, maybe you could clarify what you're referring to.

The existence and prevalence of false-negatives is well documented, there has been no evidence of prevalent false-positives and are unlikely given how the test works.

What the article discusses is the usefulness of the PCR test in differentiating between highly contagious COVID positive people and potentially non-contagious COVID positive people based on the viral load threshold the particular test is using.

londonflo · Sep 3, 2020

6 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

We took a hit with gen derm but cosmetics never slowed down . People still want Botox, fillers and younger looking skin. My dermatologist/plastic surgeon partner was doing facelifts and liposuction daily.

Thank you for your reply. You didn't have to shutdown as you were doing elective surgeries/procedures? In our state we did. Even free standing surgical centers (my cataract surgery was postponed).

toomuchbaloney · Sep 3, 2020

40 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

At one time the consensus of the population was that the world was flat. Just because I don’t agree with the majority doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

LOL

At one time, the consensus of Trump follweres was that this was a Democrat hoax, that it was one person, contained...15 people soon to be zero. Those are the "flat earthers" in this comparison. Now that group has evolved to questioning if the number of deaths hasn't been over reported, like you are in this thread.

Yeah, you are wrong.

macawake, MSN · Sep 3, 2020

17 minutes ago, londonflo said:

I am assuming your income was effected also during the shutdown. Do you also have hospital privileges and see the effects of the virus on the skin? I am just curious.

My income’s fine ? It seems the same can’t be said for the functionality of the quote button?! I’ve seen this happening in other posts.

guest416560 · Sep 3, 2020

5 minutes ago, londonflo said:

Thank you for your reply. You didn't have to shutdown as you were doing elective surgeries/procedures? In our state we did. Even free standing surgical centers (my cataract surgery was postponed).

We had to shut down the cosmetics during the beginning of the pandemic. We followed the rules. General dermatology was still considered essential by Governor Newsom as we also do lots of skin cancer/reconstruction surgeries.

MunoRN, RN · Sep 3, 2020

14 hours ago, dalavanj said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned or how it fits in, but I feel that this is worth mentioning. I have worked at the bedside this ENTIRE time. I have taken care of Covid + patients. I have also had MANY physicians tell me they have listed the cause of death of a patient as COVID, even if the pt came in with a CVA or STEMI or some other health issue because it would get the facility the maximum reimbursement for the patient.

Has anyone had this same experience? I think its a fair argument to question the validity of the numbers in general whether they are too hight or too low.

2 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

The system rewards hospitals and physicians with premium payments if Covid is listed as the cause of death. Greed pure and simple. It is probably inflating the Covid death numbers.

This has been a popular misinformation meme particularly on facebook, but it gives itself away as a hoax.

Like this example, they typically include the claim that physicians are listing COVID as the cause of death because they and/or the hospital make more money if that's the cause of death. The problem with that is reimbursement is not based on the cause of death, it's based on what the patient is being treated for.

The COVID relief funding does provide an incremental increase for DRGs attributed to COVID, but it doesn't fully compenate for the increased costs of caring for COVID patients so there's no real incentive to call patients COVID patients if they aren't, not to mention it would be difficult to falsify their test result. It's pretty unlikely that documenting a patient as being COVID positive while initiating none of the isolation measures would go unnoticed by any of their nurses or other staff.

guest416560 · Sep 3, 2020

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Interesting read on how the lockdown didn't slow the spread and how reopenings didn't speed up the spread of Covid

toomuchbaloney · Sep 3, 2020

4 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-failed-experiment-of-covid-lockdowns-11599000890

Interesting read on how the lockdown didn't slow the spread and how reopenings didn't speed up the spread of Covid

Opinion. Commentary.

dalavanj, BSN · Sep 3, 2020

My docs are good people but I think they do what administrators tell them. I know this practice is highly illegal but it’s still very prevalent. What I wanted to point out is that it’s an issue. That’s all. How it affects the numbers, I don’t know.