CDC states only 10,000 patients died DIRECTLY from Covid

[guest416560]

http://www.drugawareness.org/breaking-news-from-CDC-on-real-covid-death-figures/

Only 10,000 patient have died directly from contracting COVID19. The rest had  underlying medical conditions.

Have we been wrong in they way we shut down America?  Was this all political BS?

https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/new-CDC-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 9/2/2020 at 3:02 PM, guest416560 said:

More discussion from a conservative point of view. You don't have to agree with it but it is a data interpretation.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/36884-CDC-fewer-than-10-000-americans-have-died-from-covid-19-alone

This "newspaper" is owned by the John Birch society.  I'm embarrassed for you to even use this as a source.  It's a newsletter for conspiracy theorists.

 

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

1 hour ago, subee said:

This "newspaper" is owned by the John Birch society.  I'm embarrassed for you to even use this as a source.  It's a newsletter for conspiracy theorists.

In 1964 we had a horrible ballot initiative, Prop 14, nullifying the Rumford Fair Housing Act. The Act provided that landlords could not deny people housing because of ethnicity, religion, sex, marital status, physical handicap, or familial status. 

In 2009 when I had to have electronic fingerprints taken to renew my RN license the guy who id them asked if I wanted to see my FBI file. I didn't know I had one. It was one black and white photo of me and my Grandma protesting in front of a real estate sign that read "FOR SALE TO WHITE CHRISTIANS ONLY".

Our 8.5 X 11 signs read "No On 14!" Proud members of the John Birch Society threw eggs and tomatoes at us calling us "N*****" and "N***** lover". Five years later I read in the paper that a young Negro Attorney named Johnny Cochran was the first Black to purchase a home in that neighborhood.

https://everything.explained.today/1964_California_Proposition_14/

Johnnie Cochran Residence https://www.flickr.com/photos/michael_locke/6304326059

 

 

[DesiDani]

Is the CDC telling people not worry about underlying conditions, only covid? If you wear a mask your uncontrolled diabetes won't kill you.

[HiddencatBSN, BSN]

4 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Is the CDC telling people not worry about underlying conditions, only covid? If you wear a mask your uncontrolled diabetes won't kill you.

Where does this notion come from that only very sick people who don't take care of themselves anyway and therefore deserve to die are the only ones at risk?

Diabetics who manage their condition are at risk. Asthmatics who need an inhaler every so often are at risk. Obesity is a risk and most of our population is overweight to obese.

This is just mental gymnastics to take all blame away from covid because people might have underlying medical conditions. 

I’m definitely at the “I don’t know how to tell you to care about other people” level of headbang here. 

[Silver_Rik, ASN, BSN, RN]

I recently read that close to half the population 18-64 and more than half of those 65+ have one or more of the underlying conditions associated with higher risk of death from Covid-19. 
 

And I’ve personally put the NCHS weekly death data for 2019 and 2020 into an excel sheet.  As of the week ending Aug 1 (newer data is incomplete) we had 197,000 deaths more than the same period last year.  A 12% increase in mortality. The projected increase was 1.12%.  No year since at least 1950 has seen anything close.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

22 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Is the CDC telling people not worry about underlying conditions, only covid? If you wear a mask your uncontrolled diabetes won't kill you.

I don't understand what you are attempting to say here.  Are you saying that the CDC is telling people not to worry about  what?

[DesiDani]

20 hours ago, HiddencatBSN said:

Where does this notion come from that only very sick people who don't take care of themselves anyway and therefore deserve to die are the only ones at risk?

Diabetics who manage their condition are at risk. Asthmatics who need an inhaler every so often are at risk. Obesity is a risk and most of our population is overweight to obese.

This is just mental gymnastics to take all blame away from covid because people might have underlying medical conditions. 

I’m definitely at the “I don’t know how to tell you to care about other people” level of headbang here. 

Not sure how you twisted that around. Anyway, people should still worry about their other health conditions and not just COVID.  I mean wouldn't help if ALL medical preventable conditions were cared for? It is said that more blacks are affected by COVID. That could be because that they have more incidents of type 2 diabetes and other risk factors.

NO I NEVER SAID " only very sick people who don't take care of themselves anyway and therefore deserve to die are the ones at risk".

Seriously ?!?!?
 

[DesiDani]

3 hours ago, subee said:

I don't understand what you are attempting to say here.  Are you saying that the CDC is telling people not to worry about  what?

More concerned for COVID over underlying conditions. What else?

[HiddencatBSN, BSN]

17 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

More concerned for COVID over underlying conditions. What else?

Not sure where you work but we’re still seeing non-COVID patients and my hospital has a hotline set up that can triage people to resources for non-COVID needs that are affected by COVID shutdowns. The CDC’s website still has other things on it but it’s not unreasonable to have their attention focused on a pandemic.

And Black people have poorer health outcomes due to racist disparities in the quality of care they access, which affects secondary conditions that make COVID more deadly and COVID treatment itself.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

8 hours ago, DesiDani said:

More concerned for COVID over underlying conditions. What else?

Thanks for the explanation but no need for being snide.   I always associated the CDC as a public health entity and don't look to them for guidance on common, chronic health conditions.  I don't think they have abandoned any of their mission just because they are COVID oriented now and  they have made it perfectly clear that any underlying condition is a risk.

[DesiDani]

My bad. Thanks for the respectful response ?

14 hours ago, HiddencatBSN said:

Not sure where you work but we’re still seeing non-COVID patients and my hospital has a hotline set up that can triage people to resources for non-COVID needs that are affected by COVID shutdowns. The CDC’s website still has other things on it but it’s not unreasonable to have their attention focused on a pandemic.

And Black people have poorer health outcomes due to racist disparities in the quality of care they access, which affects secondary conditions that make COVID more deadly and COVID treatment itself.

Regardless of the why. They still have it. So they still have those issues more.

[londonflo]

Our daily positive tests are steadily going up. I live in the midwest. At least a third to 1/2 of the positive tests are among children, teens and young adults. Our hospitalization rates are higher than in March through May.

Our mayor says that "his bar rules" will be enforced but he has added that owners get 2 verbal warnings and then a $500 fine for the third instance. Of course no one had been fined. We don't have enough police officers to answer the 911 calls.When would they get to the bars? I so wish the government officials would close the bars. Give the owners the PPP money like before. 

Our public grade and high schools are remote learning. It was decided a week before school started. Some small towns around us still have students doing a combination of F2F and remote.  We just need a shutdown with TEETH and maybe our children can get an education with their friends and the health care system will return to normal.

 A friend told me her first grader has to open apps and other technical things that make him frustrated.  Another nurse has taken her children out of school for homeschooling so she can decide the schedule. I am very frustrated with our school administration and school board that no preparations were made for this during the Summer. There were administrators who were getting paid and some teachers should have been brought in and paid to make concrete learning plans. Sorry for my rant but I just get so frustrated. My previous employer (a community college) made plans all Summer, figuring what classes could be remote, which online and how to do face to face using the social distancing guidelines. Things like that really help with smoothing the school year start.

How are things in your neck of the woods?