What do I do with a nasty nurse? | allnurses

What do I do with a nasty nurse?

  1. 1 I am at my wits end. I am ADON/ House Supervisor in LTC facility. We have several new grads hired to work PRN. We do give them lots of orientation. They orient on all shifts due to their PRN status.

    One nurse on second shift consistently is nasty to her orientees. They have to orient with her because of the need to fill that track if needed.

    Anyway, we have talked with her and counseled her, verbally. Then this last week she has a new nurse with her in tears. Now the new nurse has lots of issues. She's scared to death and has very little confidence. But people are different, and some require more feedback than others. I just want this seasoned nurse to provide POSITIVE feed back. I have done all that I know to do, short of writing her up. (I really don't like to do that unless it's a care issue or absenteeism).

    Any feedback would be appreciated.
  2. 30 Comments so far...

  3. Visit  TopazLover profile page
    I am having difficulty wrapping my head around why she should be allowed to have poor performance in an area of her work without a write up. If orienting new staff is part of her job it is just as critical, and perhaps more so, as using sterile technique to insert a foley, or do trach care appropriately. If you allow this poor performance to go on without increasing disciplinary action you are condoning it.

    Identify what the problem really is. Does she really hate to orient? Is she tired of a parade of new grads that don't stay? Does she lack people skills to interact properly?

    Allowing this behavior to continue means the people she orients will not be fully prepared. They will have learned how to avoid her, how to ignore nasty comments, and how to read want ads for other employment.

    She probably is very good at what she does in other areas. Talk honestly to her. If no headway can be made verbally you need to put it in writing.
  4. Visit  CapeCodMermaid profile page
    aknottedyarn hit the nail on the head. If orienting new nurses is part of her job and she isn't doing it satisfactorily, she should be written up. Maybe she is the one with little confidence and is overwhelmed by having to teach a new grad. Whatever the problem is, you have to make it clear that she isn't allowed to treat any co worker badly.
    llg, rken10r, Esme12, and 7 others like this.
  5. Visit  caliotter3 profile page
    You have to keep in mind that this person's behavior could be a major contributor to new employees making the decision to leave at some point. Deal with her or accept the consequences of her poor performance.
    feelsafewithanurse, anjoba, llg, and 8 others like this.
  6. Visit  4_Sq profile page
    This doesn't sound to far from "bullying" to me, and if I were manager here, I would not allow this nurse to keep behaving this way, she will indeed distance other staff.
    Nursing is busy enough without the other garbage!
    sharpeimom, llg, rken10r, and 5 others like this.
  7. Visit  not.done.yet profile page
    I cannot fathom why this would not be considered a performance issue on the part of the nurse in question??
    sharpeimom, llg, rken10r, and 2 others like this.
  8. Visit  WorriedAbout2Morrow profile page
    Since you've already given her a verbal warning, follow up with a written one. There's no reason for her be acting in such a manner. We all experience personal things that threaten to affect us, but hopefully we draw the line and leave those problems at home. In no way should this nurse be able to carry on like this. With that being said, I would definitely write her up. If that doesn't work, fire her!!!!! There are lots of nurses who are equally qualified and probably be glad to replace her.
    rken10r and netglow like this.
  9. Visit  EMT-newbie profile page
    A note from my side of the universe in software: it is far more productive for a software team to fire a member who is disruptive no matter how brilliant or productive they are, allowing "that guy" to stay poisons the workplace and undermines your authority.

    The hardest part of being a manager, as told to me by various managers of mine over the years, is disciplining or firing someone and yet it must be done. Having clear guidelines from HR helps keep the process professional, as I learned from my ex who was in Hospital HR for years.

    Nurses eating their young is not "culture," it's just wrong. Who knows, with a formal paper trail your recalcitrant nurse may turn it around and teach instead of threaten.
    rken10r, sunbaby0811, netglow, and 1 other like this.
  10. Visit  caroladybelle profile page
    Why has this nasty nurse with this rep been allowed to continue?
    sharpeimom and llg like this.
  11. Visit  realnursealso/LPN profile page
    Plain and simple, the offending nurse should be written up and told if this continues she will be fired. Why would you let this continue? I worked with a nasty nurse when I moved south after my divorce. She actually pointed her finger at me and said, "You're a blank yankee and I hate everyone from NY." The other nurses told me, it's just how she is. If that happened where I am from, (I only stayed 6 months, went back home, culture shock), you would be fired. Nothing was done to her for treating me in that manner. That was almost 10 years ago now, I can still hear her saying that to me. Don't let this nurse give your facility a bad wrap, get rid of the mean queen. People don't forget how they are treated and nurses talk.
    llg and rken10r like this.
  12. Visit  JBudd profile page
    If she is nasty to new grads where you can see her, how on earth do you think she is treating even more vulnerable patients where no one can see her. Nasty people don't tend to just be nasty in one area of their lives.

    Get tough.
    Multicollinearity, sharpeimom, llg, and 7 others like this.
  13. Visit  netglow profile page
    Yup, write her up and let her know that she has no time left to think about her attitude towards these new nurses. She's got one foot out the door already.

    In this economy, or in any economy, there is no need to keep a poor excuse of an employee like that. No need at all.

    If that doesn't sway ya, just count how many new nurses you have and multiply that by what is it now, $30,000 to orient each one? Well, that nurse then, is destroying company property, and needs to be fired for it.
    not.done.yet, rken10r, and Esme12 like this.
  14. Visit  Esme12 profile page
    I agree progressive discipline seems to be the only course at this point. Her behavior can not be allowed to continue. Once on warning make apart of her action plan that she complete lateral violence training maybe be restricted to no OT/extra time. Is there a way to avoid this nurse to precept? Can you switch her off to another shift while some else orients on this shift? Her hours are "guaranteed" (so to speak) not the time of day she does them. Tell her if the behavior continues a progressive discipline plan will be enacted.

    I have confronted as a manager and a supervisor this type of nurse. They are actually very insecure and are intimidated by new nurses questions because they don't know how to answer them. I have asked them what I can do to help them engage with the new employee's training and sometimes words of encouragement and confidence that they are valued and that is why they are asked to orient new employees....,make them feel valued and needed. Some have bad behavior because they just don't want to be bothered or feel they didn't get an orientation so why should anyone else. I do make it vey clear that this is a performance issue and will be reflectd in their merit evaluation when it is time.

    It just needs to be clear the behavior will no longer be tolerated while you are in charge.....that you have high expectations of employees to foster excellence within the facility. Sounds corney I know but....it brings the point home.
    not.done.yet and rken10r like this.