I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
This approach is not productive in my opinion.
It sure isn't yet so many people insist on this approach, providers included. Being pushy and insensitive makes candidates less trusting and fearful. Then somebody who may benefit from the vaccine won't take it. That's counterproductive.
I've argued that here for a while yet people insist on catering to their frustrations and intolerance more than doing what would get results.
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47 minutes ago, DesiDani said:
Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
This approach is not productive in my opinion.
It's okay to hold that opinion. Did you share your opinion with anyone at the time?
The doctor forgets that he or she wasn't talking to his or her own peers. I can tell the difference working for the educated people (generally was beyond BS/BA degree) versus the general public.
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2 hours ago, DesiDani said:
Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
This approach is not productive in my opinion.
I don't think anyone should yell at you (if that is what the all caps mean)---- but I understand where this doctor is coming from. I have doctors here begging staff to get vaccinated (not yelling) because they are seeing first-hand in the hospital, what the consequences are of not being vaccinated. And they are tired and in a bit of moral distress. Perhaps this is the case with this physician? I do see his side.
As someone who has also worked through this pandemic it saddens me to see anyone who is skeptical of the vaccine labeled as anti-vax. Vaccines, in the true sense of the word, keep the recipient from actually getting the disease. The Covid shot mitigates sx, however does not necessarily render someone immune. Those who are vaccinated can still contract Covid, and per CDC ,are able to infect others, as indicated by viral load. Prior to Covid vaccine, those of us who worked in pandemic, were "Healthcare Heroes", now we are dispensible if we do not accept the vaccine. Sure there is a choice, get vaccinated or lose your job, then your home, and then starve. That is in fact coersion.
Regarding not bringing home "My Covid" to your children, perhaps you contracted it from an asymptomatic co- worker. But these are the risks we face ( have always faced) in healthcare.
Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
This approach is not productive in my opinion.
If you says he shouted, then so be it!
I have no more tolerance for stupid people! None!
After age 25, stupid people should be tested and tattooed IMO as well as sociopaths!
I see these people as lacking empathy for other people and choosing to live outside of the rules of society and should suffer the consequences. If it's ignorance and they refuse to be educated, ostracize them. If it's pathological as in many trumpistas, ostracize them.
I have no sympathy whatsoever and personally if by now you are unvaccinated, you should be refused treatment when you get ill. We remove dangerous people from society all the time, I would like someone to point out to me, how these people are not dangerous to society!
All it takes is one person to evolve a more dangerous variant and off we go to the races again! Almost two years and we have a cure and still those idiots who are practically 100% ignorant incl the anti posters here, judging by their posts, are jeopardizing everyone else's lives and we are supposed to be sympathetic?
We have mandatory social rules everywhere, but we need to respect and tiptoe around these idiots endangering our lives? I don't tolerate any stupid people around me and it's not just antivaxxers etc. Stupid people are extremely dangerous because they do stupid, unthinking, irresponsible things!
Row house owner keeps burning trash in his backyard with embers flying everywhere, creating a potential for burning every other house down, do we respect his rights or call the authorities and have him jailed for endangering every one, thereby removing him from the area and eliminating the risk of a disaster!
I know what I would be doing, it's called insurance! Foresight, planning! Like inspections prior to flying! No inspection, no flight! Society needs the same rules. No vaccine, no service! Find your own dangerous kind and go kill each other. Then when you are dying, keep insisting that at least you stood up for your rights! You have absolutely every right to be stupid and ignorant, but keep it in your own community. Move to S Carolina, Florida, Texas, Idaho etc where you are appreciated!
Only an idiot would dispute those facts. You don't like the rules of the society you're in, get the hell out before you suffer the consequences!
It's okay to hold that opinion. Did you share your opinion with anyone at the time?
LOL. Yeah sure. Not going to answer that because it will be used as a red herring for why I didn't share my opinion, instead of the Dr's approach which was the point of my comment.
Except that only applies to a medication for that particular pt. Refusing your blood pressure meds affects only you. It doesn't cause me to get high blood pressure.
There was a supreme court case (I believe it was around the turn of the 20th century so early 1900's) that basically said your personal liberties and freedoms do not matter when it comes to the liberties and freedoms of the country as a whole. So yes, you can refuse the vaccine but ultimately if it is required then your personal liberties and freedoms mean squat.
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Just recently a Dr, to me, strongly insisted that a patient be vaccinated during a start of shift visit. I personally didn't like his tone. I don't think his tactic was productive, it may have been. Still, I doubt. A better approach would be explain why the patient should be vaccinated, then tell them when and how easy/convenient it will be to get vaccinated. Going in with "WHY HAVEN'T YOU GOT VACCINATED!?!?! YOU NEED TO BE VACCINATED! YOU ARE PUTTING YOURSELF IN MORE RISK IF NOT VACCINATED!"
This approach is not productive in my opinion.