I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
So you think that you should go into a Chinese takeaway and order Italian food because of your right to choose?
I'm sorry a hospital is all about treatment and the primary form of treatment except for a surgical procedure, ARE MEDICINES!
If you didn't like the Italian food the Chinese takeaway made for you, leave. If you don't like the medication or treatment regime, leave, unless you are mandated because of, say, illness, maybe? Or, do you think a hospital is a great place to watch TV?
I believe in patient's rights, but only if they possess the intellectual ability and education to understand what's been proposed instead of the *** excuse of rights! It's the reason I don't have discussions with idiots because my time is valuable!
The absolute moronic reasons for being antivaccine or masks etc and the lack of shame from people who couldn't be bothered to even read a little, instead of listening to idiots, who most other people in the world could easily identify, and then expect to have rights upheld while not giving a second thought to other people's rights!
During a pandemic the only rights existing, is the right to banish the people endangering the public! We have an entire system built on infringing on the safety of others, with real world repercussions, jail or fines! Covid's repercussions, are a little bit more extreme!
If I didn't get my vaccines to enter the US, I wasn't allowed to immigrate or enter the port. I have visited other countries. I looked up the mandatory vaccines and recommended vaccines. My choice was to stay in my homeland. ?
I had to pass all kinds of medical exams. So, if you're an American, you have the right to infect the other Americans?
What's the purpose of vaccinating the immigrants if the diseases weren't detrimental in society?
How do you call anybody obtuse with an avatar like the one you have? The way you talk on this forum makes it easy to picture you being like the guy in that photo.
Come back when you're ready to chill on the personal attacks.
Amistad
That's Carl Spackler, and he's not only the assistant greenskeeper at Bushwood Country Club but he's studying to be the head greenskeeper, which involves a mastery knowledge of Cinchbugs, and I would bet his Cinchbug knowledge exceeds yours. Plus, the Dalai Lama promised to bring him back from death when he dies, which is nice.
If you have no meaningful counterpoint to what I had to say then it's probably more graceful to just admit to that.
Claiming the phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse" is too obscene for your delicate sensibilities, so obscene that you can't even respond, because otherwise you definitely have a legitimate and rational response, is pretty clearly BS ("BS" is a previously approved term by yourself).
The phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse" was strained as it was, how much slack should those effing up society expect to get at this point?
Freedom doesn't include infecting others freely. I'm vaccinated, but I didn't do it for my employer primarily. I ABSOLUTELY dislike being tied in the same place. Other countries are requiring the COVID-19 vaccines. Maybe some people are happy to stay in their couch. Can you imagine people like me roaming freely where other people are?
That's Carl Spackler, and he's not only the assistant greenskeeper at Bushwood Country Club but he's studying to be the head greenskeeper, which involves a mastery knowledge of Cinchbugs, and I would bet his Cinchbug knowledge exceeds yours. Plus, the Dalai Lama promised to bring him back from death when he dies, which is nice.
If you have no meaningful counterpoint to what I had to say then it's probably more graceful to just admit to that.
Claiming the phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse" is too obscene for your delicate sensibilities, so obscene that you can't even respond, because otherwise you definitely have a legitimate and rational response, is pretty clearly BS ("BS" is a previously approved term by yourself).
The phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse" was strained as it was, how much slack should those effing up society expect to get at this point?
You should refrain from calling anyone obtuse while representing yourself with Carl Spackler, just saying?
If you want to roast, you can shoot me a DM where moderators don't come play referee. Otherwise let's keep it civil buddy
Pointing out that the things you are claiming to be true might be incorrect is not uncivil, buddy.
You have a history of sharing definitions from the dictionary. Go read what obtuse is. If I told your mamma she was obtuse I bet you'd have a different attitude about it.
Does what I have to say make you feel so threatened that you get in your emotions and try to be insulting? Get off it buddy be easy. Disagree all day if you like but when you use insults, it cheapens what you have to say soooo bad. And then I have to clap back to get you in line.
Our current detour from the topic started with you refusing to continue to discuss the topic because I used the obscene phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse", so no, I am not opposed to getting back on topic.
And no, I am not an angle between 90 and 180 degrees, speaking of "obtuse".
Our current detour from the topic started with you refusing to continue to discuss the topic because I used the obscene phrase "I feel like you're being a bit obtuse", so no, I am not opposed to getting back on topic.
And no, I am not an angle between 90 and 180 degrees, speaking of "obtuse".
Nope, started with your obtuse comment but thank you for clarifying that nether if it's is between 90 and 180 degrees.
Originally I presented a question.
This is not to say I recommend everyone not get vaccinated. If those who are and feel they are protected, why be upset and those who choose not to and affect primarily each other?
If the counter is the hospital censuses, that's fair. What has to be kept in consideration is the overwhelming amount of people that depend on the health care system site to other life choices as it is. That can't be discounted just because their illnesses aren't carried in droplets
Pointing out that the things you are claiming to be true might be incorrect is not uncivil, buddy.
You had better be careful Muno, he might just throw an aquarium shoe filled with goldfish at you ?????
Hey, jive turkey, what was it like driving those big old 70's cars? I bet it was cool! I know a guy with a, he says Cannon, Lincoln Continental, man that's a cool car. 8 liters of engine and it can barely do 65mph he says. But it's striking, got to give it that.
Nope, started with your obtuse comment but thank you for clarifying that nether if it's is between 90 and 180 degrees.
Originally I presented a question.
This is not to say I recommend everyone not get vaccinated. If those who are and feel they are protected, why be upset and those who choose not to and affect primarily each other?
If the counter is the hospital censuses, that's fair. What has to be kept in consideration is the overwhelming amount of people that depend on the health care system site to other life choices as it is. That can't be discounted just because their illnesses aren't carried in droplets
I see antivaxxers and antimaskers as substance abusers, in a support group channeling their rage against the machine passion.
I bet when they have a toothache or chest pains, they don't refute the medical personnel's advice then!
Yes sirree, Bob, support groups coffee just can't handle that level conspiracy ?????!
Nope, started with your obtuse comment but thank you for clarifying that nether if it's is between 90 and 180 degrees.
Originally I presented a question.
This is not to say I recommend everyone not get vaccinated. If those who are and feel they are protected, why be upset and those who choose not to and affect primarily each other?
If the counter is the hospital censuses, that's fair. What has to be kept in consideration is the overwhelming amount of people that depend on the health care system site to other life choices as it is. That can't be discounted just because their illnesses aren't carried in droplets
Those who are vaccinated are better protected than those who aren't, but an inadequately vaccinated population puts us all at more risk, whether you're vaccinated or not.
Kids for instance don't have the option to get vaccinated, of new cases 1 in 4 is now among children, and they are nowhere near as low risk now as they were earlier on.
Vaccines don't work as well in the immunocompromised and imunnosuppressed, they rely on those around them to limit their risk.
The other source of harm for the vaccine hesitant is that they aren't able to make that decision based on an accurate understanding of the facts related to vaccination, they are being fed various lies, conspiracies, and misinformation which should be viewed as an unacceptable threat to their safety and rights.
1.Those who are vaccinated are better protected than those who aren't, but an inadequately vaccinated population puts us all at more risk, whether you're vaccinated or not.
Kids for instance don't have the option to get vaccinated, of new cases 1 in 4 is now among children, and they are nowhere near as low risk now as they were earlier on.
2.Vaccines don't work as well in the immunocompromised and imunnosuppressed, they rely on those around them to limit their risk.
3.The other source of harm for the vaccine hesitant is that they aren't able to make that decision based on an accurate understanding of the facts related to vaccination, they are being fed various lies, conspiracies, and misinformation which should be viewed as an unacceptable threat to their safety and rights.
1. Agree to a degree. You already know my perspective about the low risk, previously infected. Protection for ones self that's never had it, especially high risk, I can agree with that.
I say, unvaccinated and uninfected are more of a risk to each other rather than everyone at large. Nobody is exempt from spreading or catching COVID.
2. True. unfortunately everyone can still get it and spread it. Those souls that are immunocompromised, despite COVID, should already be taking precautions.
3. Agreed. However, I attribute misinformation and a lack information coming from both extremes.
You have the unfounded arguments like micro chip injections and other wild conspiracy theories. People are prone to believe it and not make an informed choice.
Vaccine supporters don't tell the whole story. Emphasis is always on the worse case scariest information. Limiting information is causing mistrust. My perspective is, vaccine supporters are afraid if they don't give the worst case, scariest information all the time then people won't vaccinate. Be honest. People feel like they're being manipulated when the media always shows the minority of the infected who end up on the ventilator, showing pundits on TV screaming and hollering about how the government can control your decision and how stupid and selfish anyone is for not taking it.
If you want results, be mindful of people's perceptions even when they're different.
iNurs5, CNA
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If I didn't get my vaccines to enter the US, I wasn't allowed to immigrate or enter the port. I have visited other countries. I looked up the mandatory vaccines and recommended vaccines. My choice was to stay in my homeland. ?
I had to pass all kinds of medical exams. So, if you're an American, you have the right to infect the other Americans?
What's the purpose of vaccinating the immigrants if the diseases weren't detrimental in society?