I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
I'm not a fighter. I avoided military service and combat sports. I engage in listening and reading and life sports (things you can do your entire life time; swimming, hiking, cycling, golf...) I live for music and art and love. I hunt and fish for subsistence but don't eat much meat because of that fight to the death.
I am a long haired old man now who reads more carefully what he read too quickly as a young man.
I meant that you are a fighter in your spirit and against your cancer. I thought you were a man! LOL I assumed because of nursing being predominantly a female position you were female. I almost never agree with what you say but I'm happy you say it because that's your value and beliefs!!
Would you like to continue with that employer? I would suggest if you do to call your congressperson and at least they can lodge a complaint. Perhaps they have some pocket job for you. I am so sorry how employers treat sick employees. Was this employer self-insured? After running up big hospital bills with a chronic illness, I found the hospital was happy to see me go.
But you are well rid of them as a source of stress. Investigate the unemployment office in your state. Unfortunately you may only get 50% pay but it is better than nothing. It will cost the employer a higher annual fee to pay for unemployment for their workers.
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4 minutes ago, londonflo said:
Would you like to continue with that employer? I would suggest if you do to call your congressperson and at least they can lodge a complaint. Perhaps they have some pocket job for you. I am so sorry how employers treat sick employees. Was this employer self-insured? After running up big hospital bills with a chronic illness, I found the hospital was happy to see me go.
But you are well rid of them as a source of stress. Investigate the unemployment office in your state. Unfortunately you may only get 50% pay but it is better than nothing. It will cost the employer a higher annual fee to pay for unemployment for their workers.
That is in my past. I forced continued employment at previous salary until I found a different employer and then quit. The state that occurred in had previously broken unemployment from the perspective of the worker...they required a bunch of people to pay back unemployment 20 years ago or so. That was more republican legislation.
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16 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:
Actually Polio vaccination was "pushed" pretty hard in the 60s. I was a little girl barely in kindergarten when they lined us up in the hallway and vaccinated us all. It was an epidemic in Chicago and they wanted to get a grip on it.
So yea, there IS a history of vaccines being "pushed hard" in the not to far distant past. And for good reason.
We need to continue to strongly encourage every eligible person to be vaccinated ASAP. Maybe we need to read up on history and learn.
Thank you for this post.
I recall in the mid 80s liining up outside the sickbay at school to get my ruebella shot.
Whats the saying "those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat the mistakes"
I remember being taught in nursing school the rights of medication administration -
Right patient
Right medication
Right dose
Right route
Right time
Right documentation
Right situation
Right place
RIGHT TO REFUSE.
I also remember my nursing instructor stressing how important number 9 is and that we as nurses have a duty to ensure that the right to refuse any medical care or medication is honored and upheld. To advocate for our patients and protect them. Protect them from what you may ask? To protect them from other medical professionals and “people” who think they can bully, manipulate, control and dominate any patient to force a medication, procedure or any type of medical care.
And wouldn’t you know that this RIGHT to refuse has been what I have had to defend more than anything? As an RN of more than a decade, I will forever support the right to choose and also the right to REFUSE any form of medical care. I can’t believe anyone feels that mandates of any form of medicine or medical practice or procedure is acceptable. Even more shocked that some nurses and NURSE LEADERS feel this is acceptable after a career of fighting for, defending and advocating for our patients rights.
Forced healthcare is NOT healthcare and I stand for the freedom this country was founded on. I have stood for my patients right to choose. And now that nurses and other healthcare workers rights are being threatened, I stand for their right to choose as well. COERCION is not CONSENT.
But as healthcare workers we also have a responsibility: to follow best-practice science and medicine. To protect the patients we have who are vulnerable. We don’t have a right to put our patients and our community at risk. We have the right to choose another career if we don’t like those obligations. I’ve had to show titre-based proof of immunization at every job I’ve done worked. And now we are in the midst of a pandemic that is having a massive toll on the community and the healthcare system. Utah is talking about using mass casualty triage tactics and prioritizing vaccinated COVID patients because nonvaccinated outcomes are so poor they can’t afford to devote scare resources to them.
We need to be doing everything we can to help end the pandemic. And that means following the best evidence we have available and getting vaccinated.
Also, it may have seemed "rushed" because it usually takes MUCH much longer to recruit enough trial volunteers. In the case of the Covid vaccine trials, they had ample volunteers pretty much immediately.
Because we’re in a pandemic, it also took less time to get the requires number of infections to run the statistics.
Also, vaccine side effects occur shortly after administration- not years down the road. The guillain-barre, bells PALS etc side effects occur from infection more frequently than from the vaccine and those are all pretty immediate reactions while the immune response is active.
Nope, started with your obtuse comment but thank you for clarifying that nether if it's is between 90 and 180 degrees.
Originally I presented a question.
This is not to say I recommend everyone not get vaccinated. If those who are and feel they are protected, why be upset and those who choose not to and affect primarily each other?
If the counter is the hospital censuses, that's fair. What has to be kept in consideration is the overwhelming amount of people that depend on the health care system site to other life choices as it is. That can't be discounted just because their illnesses aren't carried in droplets
Claiming that a vaccine only benefits the vaccinated and that the unvaccinated should pose no risk to the vaccinated other than “census” displays a glaring lack of understanding of public health and how vaccines work.
As someone who has also worked through this pandemic it saddens me to see anyone who is skeptical of the vaccine labeled as anti-vax. Vaccines, in the true sense of the word, keep the recipient from actually getting the disease. The Covid shot mitigates sx, however does not necessarily render someone immune. Those who are vaccinated can still contract Covid, and per CDC ,are able to infect others, as indicated by viral load. Prior to Covid vaccine, those of us who worked in pandemic, were "Healthcare Heroes", now we are dispensible if we do not accept the vaccine. Sure there is a choice, get vaccinated or lose your job, then your home, and then starve. That is in fact coersion.
Regarding not bringing home "My Covid" to your children, perhaps you contracted it from an asymptomatic co- worker. But these are the risks we face ( have always faced) in healthcare.
That’s….not true about vaccines at all. Literally every vaccine comes with the possibility of asymptomatic or mild infection and the chance to pass it on to others. And although people CAN get COVID while fully vaccinated, the vaccines still have a high efficacy or preventing spread and infection. And also….making people less sick when they get infected is a good thing.
Literally every flu season training I’ve had on the flu shot has talked about how if you get the flu anyway after being vaccinated, it reduces your likelihood of severe infection.
I haven’t heard a single objection to the COVID vaccine that doesn’t rely on antivax misinformation that’s become so pervasive it’s taken as a truth. The COVID vaccine is a vaccine and it’s nonsense to say otherwise.
Actually Polio vaccination was "pushed" pretty hard in the 60s. I was a little girl barely in kindergarten when they lined us up in the hallway and vaccinated us all. It was an epidemic in Chicago and they wanted to get a grip on it.
So yea, there IS a history of vaccines being "pushed hard" in the not to far distant past. And for good reason.
We need to continue to strongly encourage every eligible person to be vaccinated ASAP. Maybe we need to read up on history and learn.
Thank you for this post.
Maybe this is a dinosaur extinction event like Mexico's meteorite? Nature's way of culling the weak and infected from the herd!
Claiming that a vaccine only benefits the vaccinated and that the unvaccinated should pose no risk to the vaccinated other than “census” displays a glaring lack of understanding of public health and how vaccines work.
No it displays your glaring lack of understanding the point that was being made, showing up late to the discussion. Get it right first then come again.
How would a vaccine benefit someone who hasn't had it?
Are you saying the vaccine doesn't work and therefore, the unvaccinated are going to pass COVID and kill the vaccinated? Keep in mind no one is exempt from carrying and spreading. Variants were already here before the vaccine.
Don't mistake this to mean people shouldn't take the vaccine.
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I meant that you are a fighter in your spirit and against your cancer. I thought you were a man! LOL I assumed because of nursing being predominantly a female position you were female. I almost never agree with what you say but I'm happy you say it because that's your value and beliefs!!