Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
There have been multiple cases of stroke, paralysis, death, etc in younger people shortly after they received either their first or second covid vaccine. So you are automatically writing these people's serious adverse side effects off as not related to the vaccine. All these are just coincidences in your opinion. I disagree as I believe they are related.
Also I found Dr Bhakdi's explanation as plausible. You have given no "hypothesis" to explain these patient's adverse side effects. In fact you have mocked him and me for bringing this up.
I leave fellow nurses to draw their own conclusions in this matter.
The Covid vaccine is effective against Covid, but it doesn't make you immortal, it doesn't mean you'll never die or become ill of something non-Covid related.
If the more than 1.1 Billion people who have been vaccinated the rate of deaths and illnesses has not changed relative to being vaccinated or not, except for an approximately 83% reduced risk of death and chronic severe illness caused by Covid.
Dr. Bhakdi's explanation is not plausible because it is based on the false claim that mRNA never leaves your bloodstream, when actually the pathophysiology is well understood. As part of the process of a cell receiving the message that mRNA contains, the mRNA is destroyed. This more recent claim of his comes after his initial claim which was the Covid doesn't even really exists, then it was that 'OK it exists but it won't make people sick much less kill them', then that 'the vaccine is a secret weapon to depopulate the earth'.
I can't think of when exactly I mocked you, but if I did that wasn't my intent. That's mainly because simply mocking someone for spreading recklessly unfounded misinformation that will cause people to die is not the appropriate response. The appropriate response is disdain and dismay.
The Covid vaccine is effective against Covid, but it doesn't make you immortal, it doesn't mean you'll never die or become ill of something non-Covid related.
If the more than 1.1 Billion people who have been vaccinated the rate of deaths and illnesses has not changed relative to being vaccinated or not, except for an approximately 83% reduced risk of death and chronic severe illness caused by Covid.
Dr. Bhakdi's explanation is not plausible because it is based on the false claim that mRNA never leaves your bloodstream, when actually the pathophysiology is well understood. As part of the process of a cell receiving the message that mRNA contains, the mRNA is destroyed. This more recent claim of his comes after his initial claim which was the Covid doesn't even really exists, then it was that 'OK it exists but it won't make people sick much less kill them', then that 'the vaccine is a secret weapon to depopulate the earth'.
I can't think of when exactly I mocked you, but if I did that wasn't my intent. That's mainly because simply mocking someone for spreading recklessly unfounded misinformation that will cause people to die is not the appropriate response. The appropriate response is disdain and dismay.
Here is the things vaccines have risks and benefits. Diseases (such as Covid) have risks. The risk of vaccines that were incompletely tested are likely less than those from a virus that may have escaped a lab or developed naturally. There is also the confounding variable of those of us who have been previously infected and recovered. In most cases people are not vaccinated when they have recovered from an illness. There are also the confounding variable of the many variants. There is also the confounding variable that people of younger ages are at a much lower risk of morbidity and mortality than older individuals. There is also the confounding variable that we do not know how the vaccines (or the disease) will effect fertility and outcomes amongst those who are pregnant or seek to become pregnant. The decision to vaccinate must remain a highly personal one and not be dictated by society at large. We must individually weight risks and benefits.
And there is the confounding variable that younger people are getting sicker . And a number of people are living with long term COVID effects including damaged lungs, chronic head aches and brain fog.
As long as one is weighing risks and benefits, look at all of the sequalae, not just mortality.
What is that source? Tell me about visiontimes.com and why you are using them to inform yourself? How in the world did you ever decide that they would be a good resource for you?
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, myoglobin said:
Here is the things vaccines have risks and benefits. Diseases (such as Covid) have risks. The risk of vaccines that were incompletely tested are likely less than those from a virus that may have escaped a lab or developed naturally. There is also the confounding variable of those of us who have been previously infected and recovered. In most cases people are not vaccinated when they have recovered from an illness. There are also the confounding variable of the many variants. There is also the confounding variable that people of younger ages are at a much lower risk of morbidity and mortality than older individuals. There is also the confounding variable that we do not know how the vaccines (or the disease) will effect fertility and outcomes amongst those who are pregnant or seek to become pregnant. The decision to vaccinate must remain a highly personal one and not be dictated by society at large. We must individually weight risks and benefits.
"Confounding"
Most of us educated in and confident in the sciences are not confused by the data. I suspect that what is most confounding for folks like you is the notion that vaccinating during a public health emergency is a type of patriotism.
I find it odd that several of you feel the need to mock
I did post the Onion site because I think it has as much bearing on science as Vision News and your other citations. . The Vision News is totally devoted to promoting the current interests in what is happening in China.Not the US, not you or me.
Just because it is in the newpaper or on the internet does not guarantee it is true. For years I heard that someone read it in the newspaper so it must be true.....now someone says if it is on the internet...they believe it must be be true. This is one of many articles on this.
You are a professional and in a position to provide TRUTHFUL information to patients. Become informed. Judge what you read by the editorial opinion/basis of the intention of the authors to sway the readers to their point of view. Read behind the headline... Is their view based on science or fact, just an emotional knee-jerk response or just promoting a skewed political view.
And there is the confounding variable that younger people are getting sicker . And a number of people are living with long term COVID effects including damaged lungs, chronic head aches and brain fog.
As long as one is weighing risks and benefits, look at all of the sequalae, not just mortality.
Younger people are getting sicker than who? Yes some younger people get sick (and die) from Covid but exponentially more older people face increased morbidity and mortality. It is a curve that is much more steep with age relative to most diseases. Thus if there is any risk from vaccines the person under 30 and generally healthy is the one who should ponder this risk to benefit scenario the most. Even more so if they have had a confirmed infection and recovered in the past six months. Having said that most younger people will likely conclude that the risk to benefit ratio argues for vaccination to a marked extent.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
22 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
Younger people are getting sicker than who? Yes some younger people get sick (and die) from Covid but exponentially more older people face increased morbidity and mortality. It is a curve that is much more steep with age relative to most diseases. Thus if there is any risk from vaccines the person under 30 and generally healthy is the one who should ponder this risk to benefit scenario the most. Even more so if they have had a confirmed infection and recovered in the past six months. Having said that most younger people will likely conclude that the risk to benefit ratio argues for vaccination to a marked extent.
You must be aware that this pandemic is not over and cases are increasing across the globe. The younger people who don't use critical thinking, logic or common sense will likely choose to focus on themselves rather than the health of their larger community, yes that's true
Younger people are getting sicker than who? Yes some younger people get sick (and die) from Covid but exponentially more older people face increased morbidity and mortality. It is a curve that is much more steep with age relative to most diseases. Thus if there is any risk from vaccines the person under 30 and generally healthy is the one who should ponder this risk to benefit scenario the most. Even more so if they have had a confirmed infection and recovered in the past six months. Having said that most younger people will likely conclude that the risk to benefit ratio argues for vaccination to a marked extent.
It is actually from Australia and from Falun Gong Chinese who are totally opposed to communist China. I was looking for another article I had seen when the Florida Dr died and also when the CA healthcare worker died after his second vaccine. I had seen an article mentioning why the Florida Dr died and that there had been 37 patients total who had been hospitalized with thrombocytopenia, but he was the only one who died at the time. I wasn't able to find that article as it was from several months ago. I stumbled upon this one and it brought up more people with thrombocytopenia since then. I believe the information is coming directly from the VAERS cite. Of course, in all these situations can you say 100% it was from the vaccine vs just a coincidence, no you can't. But it seems alarming to me.
As I've said before other countries are more open about the adverse effects people have experienced with the covid vaccines. Until the J&J pause after 7 patients developed clots that cause stroke and I don't remember how many died, all the rest of the people who had experienced serious issues such as paralysis did not hit the national news. I don't believe the Fl Dr or the CA healthcare worker hit the national news. These issues were from Pfizer and Moderna and nothing was being made public, except for local journalists. Until all of sudden the govt decided to halt the J&J vaccine. I don't believe the strokes and deaths were public until the govt made that decision.
Anyone can go on the VAERS website and see deaths etc that occurred shortly after covid vaccination. I know it doesn't prove causation, but unless you look it up or a local journalist lists the data, you would not know.
You can write an article off as disinformation because you don't like the source or the politics etc, but you can also fact check it thru VAERS for instance. I don't believe they just made the whole article up.
It is actually from Australia and from Falun Gong Chinese who are totally opposed to communist China. I was looking for another article I had seen when the Florida Dr died and also when the CA healthcare worker died after his second vaccine. I had seen an article mentioning why the Florida Dr died and that there had been 37 patients total who had been hospitalized with thrombocytopenia, but he was the only one who died at the time. I wasn't able to find that article as it was from several months ago. I stumbled upon this one and it brought up more people with thrombocytopenia since then. I believe the information is coming directly from the VAERS cite. Of course, in all these situations can you say 100% it was from the vaccine vs just a coincidence, no you can't. But it seems alarming to me.
As I've said before other countries are more open about the adverse effects people have experienced with the covid vaccines. Until the J&J pause after 7 patients developed clots that cause stroke and I don't remember how many died, all the rest of the people who had experienced serious issues such as paralysis did not hit the national news. I don't believe the Fl Dr or the CA healthcare worker hit the national news. These issues were from Pfizer and Moderna and nothing was being made public, except for local journalists. Until all of sudden the govt decided to halt the J&J vaccine. I don't believe the strokes and deaths were public until the govt made that decision.
Anyone can go on the VAERS website and see deaths etc that occurred shortly after covid vaccination. I know it doesn't prove causation, but unless you look it up or a local journalist lists the data, you would not know.
You can write an article off as disinformation because you don't like the source or the politics etc, but you can also fact check it thru VAERS for instance. I don't believe they just made the whole article up.
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The Covid vaccine is effective against Covid, but it doesn't make you immortal, it doesn't mean you'll never die or become ill of something non-Covid related.
If the more than 1.1 Billion people who have been vaccinated the rate of deaths and illnesses has not changed relative to being vaccinated or not, except for an approximately 83% reduced risk of death and chronic severe illness caused by Covid.
Dr. Bhakdi's explanation is not plausible because it is based on the false claim that mRNA never leaves your bloodstream, when actually the pathophysiology is well understood. As part of the process of a cell receiving the message that mRNA contains, the mRNA is destroyed. This more recent claim of his comes after his initial claim which was the Covid doesn't even really exists, then it was that 'OK it exists but it won't make people sick much less kill them', then that 'the vaccine is a secret weapon to depopulate the earth'.
I can't think of when exactly I mocked you, but if I did that wasn't my intent. That's mainly because simply mocking someone for spreading recklessly unfounded misinformation that will cause people to die is not the appropriate response. The appropriate response is disdain and dismay.