Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
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On 4/8/2021 at 2:49 AM, myoglobin said:
The fact that you call a former President an "idiot" demonstrates that your understanding is limited.
The former president is far worse than merely an idiot. The fact that half a million people died under his watch speaks volumes about how he handled things.
Some of the other issues
- seizing PPE in Germany and requisitioning it for the US
- Bending over backwards repeatedly to explain why the royal cesspoool that was Americas covid response was not his fault. George Bush was a scary president however he could have handled this covid response better than 45th with both arms and both legs tied behind his back
- I recall watching some footage about nurses meeting the 45th president and telling him how it had been working with covid. 45th Interrupts the nurse to ask one of his aides about some pens that he'd bought to hand out.
- The 45th president was an absolute laughing stock on the world stage
The former president is far worse than merely an idiot. The fact that half a million people died under his watch speaks volumes about how he handled things.
Some of the other issues
- seizing PPE in Germany and requisitioning it for the US
- Bending over backwards repeatedly to explain why the royal cesspoool that was Americas covid response was not his fault. George Bush was a scary president however he could have handled this covid response better than 45th with both arms and both legs tied behind his back
- I recall watching some footage about nurses meeting the 45th president and telling him how it had been working with covid. 45th Interrupts the nurse to ask one of his aides about some pens that he'd bought to hand out.
- The 45th president was an absolute laughing stock on the world stage
If you think him such an idiot then you should share my skepticism of vaccines that were "pushed" through many regulatory hurdles at "Warp Speed" at least in part for political benefit (which obviously was not sufficient).
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2 hours ago, myoglobin said:
If you think him such an idiot then you should share my skepticism of vaccines that were "pushed" through many regulatory hurdles at "Warp Speed" at least in part for political benefit (which obviously was not sufficient).
The science of the vaccines has nothing to do with Trump's politics and corrupt incompetence. Maybe you should explain how you believe that Trump or any of his sycophants were responsible for or involved in the development or testing of the vaccines.
What you regularly reflect in these vaccine threads is not skepticism, it's antivaccination acceptance of fear mongering and nonsense. If you were, in fact, skeptical you would end up discarding most of what currently compels you.
There is even skepticism to vaccinate in the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as well as the Food and Drug Administration. Just last week (5/11/2021), Anthony Fauci of NIAID and Peter Marks of FDA testified that only about 60% of employees at each organization have chosen to be vaccinated. Now we can debate all we want and provide articles/sources for our stance, but these folks are much closer to the source, deeper in the weeds, and certainly know more than what we can find published. Listening to this update last week, I found this very interesting and would love to have a conversation with some of those in the 40% groups. If getting vaccinated is so safe, why hasn't more of these employees chosen to be vaccinated? I certainly respect their choice but I would love to know why.
This testimony was an update from Dr. Fauci and top health officials testify on efforts to combat Covid-19 - 5/11/2021. Skip to about 20:20:22 in the video where Senator Burr asks the question for how many employees at the NIAID, FDA, and CDC have been vaccinated. Rochelle Walensky from CDC doesn't give a number or percentage, saying while they encourage employees to be vaccinated, it is not federally required.
There is even skepticism to vaccinate in the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as well as the Food and Drug Administration. Just last week (5/11/2021), Anthony Fauci of NIAID and Peter Marks of FDA testified that only about 60% of employees at each organization have chosen to be vaccinated. Now we can debate all we want and provide articles/sources for our stance, but these folks are much closer to the source, deeper in the weeds, and certainly know more than what we can find published. Listening to this update last week, I found this very interesting and would love to have a conversation with some of those in the 40% groups. If getting vaccinated is so safe, why hasn't more of these employees chosen to be vaccinated? I certainly respect their choice but I would love to know why.
This testimony was an update from Dr. Fauci and top health officials testify on efforts to combat Covid-19 - 5/11/2021. Skip to about 20:20:22 in the video where Senator Burr asks the question for how many employees at the NIAID, FDA, and CDC have been vaccinated. Rochelle Walensky from CDC doesn't give a number or percentage, saying while they encourage employees to be vaccinated, it is not federally required.
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2 hours ago, tennis_girl said:
There is even skepticism to vaccinate in the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as well as the Food and Drug Administration. Just last week (5/11/2021), Anthony Fauci of NIAID and Peter Marks of FDA testified that only about 60% of employees at each organization have chosen to be vaccinated. Now we can debate all we want and provide articles/sources for our stance, but these folks are much closer to the source, deeper in the weeds, and certainly know more than what we can find published. Listening to this update last week, I found this very interesting and would love to have a conversation with some of those in the 40% groups. If getting vaccinated is so safe, why hasn't more of these employees chosen to be vaccinated? I certainly respect their choice but I would love to know why.
This testimony was an update from Dr. Fauci and top health officials testify on efforts to combat Covid-19 - 5/11/2021. Skip to about 20:20:22 in the video where Senator Burr asks the question for how many employees at the NIAID, FDA, and CDC have been vaccinated. Rochelle Walensky from CDC doesn't give a number or percentage, saying while they encourage employees to be vaccinated, it is not federally required.
Do you think that administrative employees of that large organization got special consideration for vaccination? Would you be unhappy about that if they had?
This testimony was an update from Dr. Fauci and top health officials testify on efforts to combat Covid-19 - 5/11/2021. Skip to about 20:20:22 in the video where Senator Burr asks the question for how many employees at the NIAID, FDA, and CDC have been vaccinated. Rochelle Walensky from CDC doesn't give a number or percentage, saying while they encourage employees to be vaccinated, it is not federally required.
I had type in section of video to skip to. Skip to about 2:20:22
Do you think that administrative employees of that large organization got special consideration for vaccination? Would you be unhappy about that if they had?
I don't think that is her or his point. Rather, I think he or she is referring to the 40% of the NIAID and FDA employees that haven't taken the vaccination, and is suggesting they haven't done so because they are privvy to information that most of us don't have access to.
I don't think that is her or his point. Rather, I think he or she is referring to the 40% of the NIAID and FDA employees that haven't taken the vaccination, and is suggesting they haven't done so because they are privvy to information that most of us don't have access to.
Not that they necessarily have 'private information", but rather if you cannot convince employees of the CDC, and NIH (who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters as well) how do you suppose to convince the rest of the "unwashed masses" to get the vaccination?
Not that they necessarily have 'private information", but rather if you cannot convince employees of the CDC, and NIH (who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters as well) how do you suppose to convince the rest of the "unwashed masses" to get the vaccination?
No, he or she suggested that the NIAID and FDA employees did have information that most of us don't have access to.
4 hours ago, tennis_girl said:
There is even skepticism to vaccinate in the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as well as the Food and Drug Administration. Just last week (5/11/2021), Anthony Fauci of NIAID and Peter Marks of FDA testified that only about 60% of employees at each organization have chosen to be vaccinated. Now we can debate all we want and provide articles/sources for our stance, but these folks are much closer to the source, deeper in the weeds, and certainly know more than what we can find published [emphasis added]. ...
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I'm really not sure how else you can interpret the highlighted text.
Not that they necessarily have 'private information", but rather if you cannot convince employees of the CDC, and NIH (who are overwhelmingly Democratic voters as well) [emphasis added] ...
Do you think that administrative employees of that large organization got special consideration for vaccination? Would you be unhappy about that if they had?
Initially, I honestly didn't think of the administrative staff. Perhaps the 40% from each group accounts for this staff. A couple of days a week, I work part-time vaccinating for the medical center where I work. Not all frontline healthcare workers have chosen to be vaccinated but I recall when vaccines started, to avoid wasting vaccine at the end of the day, any admin employees that wanted to be vaccinated could do so. And there have been many days that we disposed of vaccine because there were not enough people to there to vaccinate. But just like where I work, these organizations are likely to be spread out where folks can't easily show up for these last minutes vaccines to avoid waste. I guess in my mind, the admin staff were getting vaccinated all along but not really, only if there was extra and if they were close enough!
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The former president is far worse than merely an idiot. The fact that half a million people died under his watch speaks volumes about how he handled things.
Some of the other issues
- seizing PPE in Germany and requisitioning it for the US
- Bending over backwards repeatedly to explain why the royal cesspoool that was Americas covid response was not his fault. George Bush was a scary president however he could have handled this covid response better than 45th with both arms and both legs tied behind his back
- I recall watching some footage about nurses meeting the 45th president and telling him how it had been working with covid. 45th Interrupts the nurse to ask one of his aides about some pens that he'd bought to hand out.
- The 45th president was an absolute laughing stock on the world stage