Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
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Application for full approval submitted now that 6 months post 2nd dose data showing vaccine high efficacy with scant serious side effects. Expect full approval by the fall --- just in time for health systems to require vaccination.
Pfizer and BioNTech initiated the BLA by submitting the nonclinical and clinical data needed to support licensure of the COVID-19 vaccine for use in individuals 16 years of age and older. This includes the most recent analyses from the pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial, where the vaccine’s efficacy and favorable safety profile were observed up to six months after the second dose. The companies will submit the required manufacturing and facility data for licensure in the coming weeks to complete the BLA.
Application for full approval submitted now that 6 months post 2nd dose data showing vaccine high efficacy with scant serious side effects. Expect full approval by the fall --- just in time for health systems to require vaccination.
I am often critical of HCA my former employer. However, at least they always made the influenza shot optional if you chose to wear a mask during flu season (which sucked so I took the shot). I will be surprised if the state (perhaps future independent Republic) of Florida and Texas allow these shots to be required at their hospitals. Our great Governor has already announced that vaccine passports will not be tolerated in this state.
On 12/24/2020 at 4:59 AM, TheMoonisMyLantern said:
Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
At this point requiring COVID19 Vaccine is like requiring your kids get their vaccines at within 1 year after their birth.
It prevents alot of problem for them and other people by achieving herd immunity so it won't pop up again as an issue and we can avoid these economy damaging "shutdowns".
At this point requiring COVID19 Vaccine is like requiring your kids get their vaccines at within 1 year after their birth.
It prevents alot of problem for them and other people by achieving herd immunity so it won't pop up again as an issue and we can avoid these economy damaging "shutdowns".
Kids are "not required" to get vaccines within a year of birth, but it is advised. That's a key difference.
Kids are "not required" to get vaccines within a year of birth, but it is advised. That's a key difference.
I understand, but in a case a kid isn't vaccinated, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't allowed into public schools without proof of vaccination, especially for COVID19 which can spread across ages.
I'm all for freedom of choice, but we need separated areas for people who present a potential danger because of their freedom of choice.
I for one, will not be sending my future kids to any public school, because I don't want the schools teaching my children things that go against our religion, but they will all be getting vaccinated.
In my local area, I find it amusing that people are declaring the right to forego a vaccine, but refuse to cooperate with businesses asking customers to wear masks if they are unvaccinated. So you are happy to refuse vaccines, but you don't want respect the wishes/rights of those around you.
For now, many are declaring they won't take a vaccine that is not FDA approved. What will be the next excuse, once it is approved?
And is anyone paying attention to India? Too many deaths to count.
I understand, but in a case a kid isn't vaccinated, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't allowed into public schools without proof of vaccination, especially for COVID19 which can spread across ages.
I'm all for freedom of choice, but we need separated areas for people who present a potential danger because of their freedom of choice.
I for one, will not be sending my future kids to any public school, because I don't want the schools teaching my children things that go against our religion, but they will all be getting vaccinated.
I endorse your right to home educate (that is what we did). If vaccines are effective wouldn't I be the one taking a greater risk by not being vaccinated? Also, with most diseases if you have had the disease positive antibodies (and cellular immunity which will not even show up on an antibody test) provides superior protection to the a vaccine which only has an "MRna" spike. If a business (as most do) requires a mask I always wear one, but I choose to patronize those that do not require the mask whenever possible.
India is surely suffering from this disease and I pray for their quick improvement . We have such bitter feeling towards one another's perspectives it seems but so little towards China where evidence now points either allowed it to escape form a Wuhan lab or even potentially deliberately engineered it's release.
That is about as relevant as me posting "I wonder if parent endorsing the experimental use of vhttps://www.biospace.com/article/covid-19-in-the-news-heart-inflammation-vaccine-effectiveness-and-more/ accine in children are aware of this possible complicaton?" Neither, scenario is very likely. In my case I have a standing "Do not treat" order and over 550,000 in life insurance so if I got sick with Covid (and perished) my family would actually be better off finanically.
That is about as relevant as me posting "I wonder if parent endorsing the experimental use of vhttps://www.biospace.com/article/covid-19-in-the-news-heart-inflammation-vaccine-effectiveness-and-more/ accine in children are aware of this possible complicaton?" Neither, scenario is very likely. In my case I have a standing "Do not treat" order and over 550,000 in life insurance so if I got sick with Covid (and perished) my family would actually be better off finanically.
I don't have a clue what you mean?
I pointed out that catching Covid-19 might incur steep bills and bankruptcy etc as a motivater for getting the vaccine, instead of focusing on rights violations and freedoms suspended and you posted about long term effects.
You buy insurance for potentials, you take the vaccine for the same reasons.
I pointed out that catching Covid-19 might incur steep bills and bankruptcy etc as a motivater for getting the vaccine, instead of focusing on rights violations and freedoms suspended and you posted about long term effects.
You buy insurance for potentials, you take the vaccine for the same reasons.
I was pointing out that vaccines have risks and benefits. A benefit of taking the vaccine is that you have much less chance of getting a serious case of Covid. However, the risk of serious Covid infection decreases greatly with younger age. Also, there are risks of Covid 19 vaccines such as potential allergic reaction, blood clots and even more rarely perhaps inflammation of the heart which could also result in increased costs. Vaccines have risks and benefits and for this disease the younger and healthier someone is especially if they have antibodies to the virus the more the risks are a potential issue relative to benefits.
I was pointing out that vaccines have risks and benefits. A benefit of taking the vaccine is that you have much less chance of getting a serious case of Covid. However, the risk of serious Covid infection decreases greatly with younger age. Also, there are risks of Covid 19 vaccines such as potential allergic reaction, blood clots and even more rarely perhaps inflammation of the heart which could also result in increased costs. Vaccines have risks and benefits and for this disease the younger and healthier someone is especially if they have antibodies to the virus the more the risks are a potential issue relative to benefits.
As you have repeatedly said, there are risks!
How can you tell if you are susceptible to those risks? It's not like the risk is maybe a few hours or weeks of pain? It's likely that it could be a lifetime of debilitation!
That's not a risk in my book. It's stupidity to risk not taking the vaccine and opening yourself up to a possible lifetime of pain and suffering.
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Application for full approval submitted now that 6 months post 2nd dose data showing vaccine high efficacy with scant serious side effects. Expect full approval by the fall --- just in time for health systems to require vaccination.
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