Apparently per the EEOC's guidelines employers (not just healthcare related) can mandate vaccination of workers. The exception is a "sincerely held religious belief" or a covered disability. Just found out this morning that a chain of for profit LTC/SNF's are rolling out a Covid vaccine mandate for all direct care staff or face indefinite unpaid administrative leave. I am a heavy supporter of vaccination and of the new COVID vaccine and in fact am due to get one in early January. But I am doing so of my own volition. My facility encouraged all workers to sign up for a vaccine and provided information sessions and it's been really effective at getting people to sign up.
Even though I would disagree with someone's choice to not vaccinate, I don't believe they should be mandated at this point.
Studying a population who does not receive intervention, especially if they are predominately persons of color, smacks of the Tuskegee Study.
Are you suggesting a vaccine that triggers antibodies toward viral surface proteins would trigger auto-antibodies? Is that because they both involve the very complex immune system? So what is your theory in people who already have an autoimmune condition? Are they going develop even more?
I am suggesting that a large percentage of nurses will decline the vaccine for many different reasons and they offer a ready made cohort to compare outcomes and give us more data.
13 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
I am suggesting that a large percentage of nurses will decline the vaccine for many different reasons and they offer a ready made cohort to compare outcomes and give us more data.
I have spoken with about eight of my former ICU coworkers and only one said they would get the vaccine if given a choice (and it is not currently required by our hospital chain the largest in the nation). Also half
of these individuals are very Democratic, hate Trump and have also declined the influenza vaccine in the past and chose to wear a mask during flu season instead. They also all hail from Jamaica and Haiti respectively. The others are conservatives such as myself. Granted this is Florida .
Meanwhile we have over a hundred thousand illegal immigrants crossing the border each month who undergoing absolutely no covid testing and are quite unlikely to ever be compelled (or even offered in many cases) vaccination.
It seems that you have about 100,000 migrant apprehensions (not necessarily the same as 100,000 unique individuals) per month on your southern border.
Are you saying that another 100,000 manage to sneak by your Border Patrol every month, or are you saying that the apprehended individuals aren’t being tested for Covid-19 in the middle of a pandemic? Since you didn’t provide a source for your claim it’s difficult to know what you meant.
On 4/6/2021 at 7:52 PM, myoglobin said:
Yes and more than 1000,00 probably died from smoking related causes, but no one is even proposing banning smoking.
As already discussed smoking is banned in many public spaces. I’m also assuming that trained medical professionals try to educate their patients about the harmful effects of smoking, rather then encouraging their patients to smoke more?
I’m thinking that if Covid-19 had a lobby like the tobacco lobby and if Covid-19 generated a humongous tax income, and if Covid-19 wasn’t an infectious disease, comparisons between the two would be more pertinent.
Are you saying that another 100,000 manage to sneak by your Border Patrol or are you saying that the apprehended individuals aren’t tested for Covid-19 in the middle of a pandemic? Since you didn’t provide a source for your claim it’s difficult to know what you meant.
As already discussed smoking is banned in many public areas.
I am saying that many people are immigrating illegally and are not being tested the exact amount cannot be known:
I am also asserting that there is no comprehensive plan to test every illegal immigrant who comes in to the United States such as is required to travel to Hawaii or to enter the United States even for returning US citizens who leave the country.
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21 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
Well, these are also all people that I consider friends and since I'm seen as the "autistic, ADHD, crazy dude" it is a pretty biased sample.
How you label yourself is actually irrelevant to discussion about employer mandated vaccines. We certainly can't know about autism or ADHD but we might be able to comment on crazy if you'd like to start a thread.
Really? That's the connection you made? What's the context? Wasn't it about vaccine passports? What does that imply? What happens when we quarantine infected people?
How you label yourself is actually irrelevant to discussion about employer mandated vaccines. We certainly can't know about autism or ADHD but we might be able to comment on crazy if you'd like to start a thread.
It was meant to be a joke. The implication was that anyone willing to even "talk" to someone like me is probably not representative of the overall body of health professionals even at the facility that I am referencing. Therefore the data may be of limited value.
6 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:
Really? That's the connection you made? What's the context? Wasn't it about vaccine passports? What does that imply? What happens when we quarantine infected people?
Keep in mind you will need lots of guns to get us there since many of us are quite well armed. and will not go without a fight. Honestly, at this point I just wish that Texas, Florida and a few others states that mostly see it from a liberty perspective could just leave the union and let those who wish to live under authoritarian rule do so. We could do it our way and you could do it your way. I would even be happy to not leave the state.
It was meant to be a joke. The implication was that anyone willing to even "talk" to someone like me is probably not representative of the overall body of health professionals even at the facility that I am referencing. Therefore the data may be of limited value.
Keep in mind you will need lots of guns to get us there since many of us are quite well armed. and will not go without a fight.
And that's the debate in a nutshell, pun intended!
Educated, science driven people and you bring up guns. How do you get to guns from Covid?
And do you guys still have guns? I thought LA Pierre stole all your money and spent it on yachts and fake tans etc ????
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