Women's Right to Choose

KonichiwaRN · May 29, 2019

Also addresses the question:

Does society have the right to say, what life is worth living and which life isn't?

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · May 29, 2019

4 minutes ago, KonichiwaRN said:
Also addresses the question:
Does society have the right to say, what life is worth living and which life isn't?

In all fairness, we already do that now via capital punishment. That's a whole other discussion.

You bring up a fair point regarding the question of when human life begins. Perhaps if I philosophically felt that a fetus in my stomach at 6 weeks was human lfie/where life began, I would choose not to get an abortion - but even if that were the case, I still would want the option there for those who felt otherwise. However I don't believe one can be given full human rights (especially over my body as a woman) when that "human" can't survive without being in the host body.

Editorial Team / Admin · May 29, 2019

1 hour ago, Horseshoe said:
How can a nurse not be familiar with the term "brain death"?

Poster is currently taking prereqs and has not yet begun nursing classes.

RLoya · May 29, 2019

The idea of abortion turns my stomach. So do the majority of these comments justifying it. To simply state that each person has a right to make their own decisions would have sufficed. But to go on to describe a fetus as a parasite is on a level I cannot fathom and hopefully never will. I am Christian and as I understand the Bible, abortion is never ok. I can understand the ethical dilemmas in the rare cases of incest, rape, or severe deformities. It is definitely a gray area and I can't honestly say what I would do in those situations. I also understand those women who choose to have abortions out of not having a stable life or finances. I can understand but I don't condone it. Still people want to do what they want to do. That's on them. Just as I don't want people imposing their atheism or anti-religion beliefs on me, I don't want to do that to them. This country may have been founded on a Christian mindset, but it is a very different place today. I will continue to live my convictions out to the best of my abilities and let God deal with the rest.

My only qualm is that all tax payers, regardless of their position on such a controversial and complicated topic, are helping to fund government-endorsed facilities like Planned Parenthood. . If you want an abortion pay for it yourself, not through the government i.e. the American people.

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · May 29, 2019

17 minutes ago, RLoya said:
The idea of abortion turns my stomach. So do the majority of these comments justifying it. To simply state that each person has a right to make their own decisions would have sufficed. But to go on to describe a fetus as a parasite is on a level I cannot fathom and hopefully never will. I am Christian and as I understand the Bible, abortion is never ok. I can understand the ethical dilemmas in the rare cases of incest, rape, or severe deformities. It is definitely a gray area and I can't honestly say what I would do in those situations. I also understand those women who choose to have abortions out of not having a stable life or finances. I can understand but I don't condone it. Still people want to do what they want to do. That's on them. Just as I don't want people imposing their atheism or anti-religion beliefs on me, I don't want to do that to them. This country may have been founded on a Christian mindset, but it is a very different place today. I will continue to live my convictions out to the best of my abilities and let God deal with the rest.
My only qualm is that all tax payers, regardless of their position on such a controversial and complicated topic, are helping to fund government-endorsed facilities like Planned Parenthood. . If you want an abortion pay for it yourself, not through the government i.e. the American people.

Contrary to popular belief/statements, the government/tax payers do not pay for majority of abortions. My understand is that the Hyde Amendment (which was first implemented in 1977) actually FORBIDS the use of federal funds for abortions except for cases of life endangerment, rape, or incest.

As someone who is pro-choice and has openly said I would have an abortion if my birth control that I use with my husband fails, I don't consider a fetus a parasite. I do consider it something that can not live without a host body and therefore it's rights come second to the host body.

For the record, the bible says a lot of things are okay that really aren't okay and vice versa. I completely respect your Christian views even if I don't share them. My frustration comes in when people (not you specifically, but as a whole) cherry pick what they will and won't follow from the bible.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · May 30, 2019

1 hour ago, Rose_Queen said:
Poster is currently taking prereqs and has not yet begun nursing classes.

Okay, I just saw "has 8 years of experience" by her name and assumed nursing.

LilPeanut, MSN, RN, NP · May 30, 2019

12 hours ago, Bjulissa19 said:
Why do I feel like we are discussing two different things? ? when you say parasite I think of: tapeworm, pinworm, lice and ticks (gross). How are these host comparable to a fetus? ? I dont understand the logic here. Honestly.
When I was 9 yrs old my doc told me I had parasites and I was given meds. I got a chance to see those things a live - they are some scary monsters - I couldn't believe those thing were inside me; and how in the world did they get in there? gross
anyway - now I'm the mother of three lovely boys. seeing both leave my body I still dont get your logic. ? but thank you for taking the time to forward the link ? much appreciated.

Because you wanted the pregnancy. "Without making a useful or adequate return". Health-wise, pregnancy is nothing but risks, including death. As I said, emotionally there is a return, but that return isn't present if you aren't wanting the baby. Physically, the pregnancy is not helping the mother at all.

11 hours ago, Bjulissa19 said:
anyways - I'm not at all familiar with the term Brain Dead. I've heard some speak of out-of-body experiences but that's really it. so not sure where you want to go with this.

Brain dead is a very common term. I read you are still in school, but I would familiarize yourself with it. Heart cells are special - they are the only cells in the body that have the ability to function without any brain. You could put a heart in a jar with proper oxygen/nutrients and it would beat indefinitely.

11 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:
It's really hard for me to now change my views..
when I focus on the question: when does human life begin? If human life begins at a "certain point," then does that human life deserve to live?
I think politicians are shying away from that question as well.

It can be hard to change your views, but maybe start with asking yourself "what would make me change my views" or "is this asking the right question", because again, outlawing abortion does not decrease abortions, it's only hurting women. So whether the baby is Life with a big L, it is a moot point - outlawing it isn't going to decrease it.

11 hours ago, KonichiwaRN said:
Also addresses the question:
Does society have the right to say, what life is worth living and which life isn't?

To some extent yes, we do, because at that point people can't choose for themselves. I'm not in favor of a strictly utilitarian point of view, but I do think we need to consider resources and outcomes.

9 hours ago, RLoya said:
The idea of abortion turns my stomach. So do the majority of these comments justifying it. To simply state that each person has a right to make their own decisions would have sufficed. But to go on to describe a fetus as a parasite is on a level I cannot fathom and hopefully never will. I am Christian and as I understand the Bible, abortion is never ok. I can understand the ethical dilemmas in the rare cases of incest, rape, or severe deformities. It is definitely a gray area and I can't honestly say what I would do in those situations. I also understand those women who choose to have abortions out of not having a stable life or finances. I can understand but I don't condone it. Still people want to do what they want to do. That's on them. Just as I don't want people imposing their atheism or anti-religion beliefs on me, I don't want to do that to them. This country may have been founded on a Christian mindset, but it is a very different place today. I will continue to live my convictions out to the best of my abilities and let God deal with the rest.
My only qualm is that all tax payers, regardless of their position on such a controversial and complicated topic, are helping to fund government-endorsed facilities like Planned Parenthood. . If you want an abortion pay for it yourself, not through the government i.e. the American people.

The use of the word parasite is to help people like you understand how other people might see a pregnancy, and how it functions medically when you cannot remove the fetus.

Tax payers do not pay for abortions.

I presume you vote to ensure the expansion of the social security net, universal health care, free childcare, expanded housing funding, food programs, clothing programs, and all of the other social programs that actually help reduce abortions? It is not acceptable to say that only charities should provide, because that depends on the good will of the charity, location and beliefs of the person, too many times.

Horseshoe, BSN, RN · May 30, 2019

On 5/28/2019 at 11:24 AM, Persephone Paige said:
It's still better than nothing! Jeez, at least attempt to prevent pregnancy. And the foam helps pick up the slack with the condoms.
I hate a dialog that portrays women as victims. We are our biggest advocates, or our own worst enemies. If I were a nymphomaniac, with nothing but a Honda Kick & Go for transportation, I'd be damned if I'd get knocked up.
Have you actually investigated the numbers of abortions attributed to Rape, Incest and Maternal Health, vs the amount attributed to just 'whatever?' The differences are staggering. It's pathetic that any women would take so little responsibility for their own reproductive potential. These are not the women my daughters are like, or the women I want my granddaughters to become.
You want to empower women? Teach them that they have the power to not need permission from anyone for any abortion by seeing to it that they don't get pregnant. I did it, my daughter did it and God willing, my granddaughters will too. I cannot prevent tragedies, such as rape. But, I can send them to self defense classes.

Bold is mine:

Yes, your post proves that point, though perhaps not in the way intended.

morte, LPN, LVN · May 30, 2019

23 hours ago, RLoya said:
The idea of abortion turns my stomach. So do the majority of these comments justifying it. To simply state that each person has a right to make their own decisions would have sufficed. But to go on to describe a fetus as a parasite is on a level I cannot fathom and hopefully never will. I am Christian and as I understand the Bible, abortion is never ok. I can understand the ethical dilemmas in the rare cases of incest, rape, or severe deformities. It is definitely a gray area and I can't honestly say what I would do in those situations. I also understand those women who choose to have abortions out of not having a stable life or finances. I can understand but I don't condone it. Still people want to do what they want to do. That's on them. Just as I don't want people imposing their atheism or anti-religion beliefs on me, I don't want to do that to them. This country may have been founded on a Christian mindset, but it is a very different place today. I will continue to live my convictions out to the best of my abilities and let God deal with the rest.
My only qualm is that all tax payers, regardless of their position on such a controversial and complicated topic, are helping to fund government-endorsed facilities like Planned Parenthood. . If you want an abortion pay for it yourself, not through the government i.e. the American people.

I pay for war, don't want to , too bad for me. and the feds do not pay for elective abortions. Hyde amendment.

Persephone Paige, ADN · May 31, 2019

12 hours ago, Horseshoe said:
Bold is mine:
Yes, your post proves that point, though perhaps not in the way intended.

I'm not the one needing an abortion. I have never left my fertility in the hands of another. My body, my choice? It was always my body, my choice. That's why I didn't get pregnant. It's disgusting and laughable that women get pregnant by accident in this day and time. And anytime I state this, 10 people jump on and say, " my OCs didn't work!" I call BS~if you take that pill everyday, if you use foam/condoms for the rest of your cycle after a course of antibiotics, they work. It was always amazing to me how birth control worked for all the ARNPs and RNs who worked in Family Planning. But for the rest of the world it's not 100%! And they get on here with their 0.01% conception stories.

* rape, incest are not what I am referring to.

sswinner · May 31, 2019

I find this whole situation odd. Im pro life but pro choice. I care but I really don't. I'm pro life when it involves "my" own "future" kids.

Some of the statements irk me. My body my choice. Nothing I can do/say can make my fiance keep any child she doesn't want. (at least legally) Being male most men I know are law abiding. She could have kept her legs closed. Leave me, find someone who doesn't care.

At the same time... Nothing I can do/say can make my fiance NOT have the child. BUT I would still have to pay child support and alimony. Yeah Yeah Yeah some men don't pay. 51% is the number I've seen thrown around. But men try. (don't even get me started on how easy it is to miss a payment and end up in a spiral that you can't escape from and courts aren't perfect in how they make decisions for both parties) That being said, I should not have sex if I am not prepared to handle the potential responsibilities.

If my body my choice is a thing why can't there be a legal "my money my choice"? I suppose the money would be taken from taxes as it already is.

I also don't understand why abstinence is so evil to people. Why can't you teach it as the best choice but still talk about all the others. I did not have sex till mid 20's. I am abstinent with my fiance of 2 years. Is a bit of self-control that hard? Perhaps I have low testosterone levels.

I don't know.. I feel like there is a general lack of responsibility in American society. To be totally honest I've had a horrible time adapting to civilian lifestyle. Things are just so disorderly. "Everyone" evades responsibility.

JadedCPN, BSN, RN · May 31, 2019

1 hour ago, Persephone Paige said:
I'm not the one needing an abortion. I have never left my fertility in the hands of another. My body, my choice? It was always my body, my choice. That's why I didn't get pregnant. It's disgusting and laughable that women get pregnant by accident in this day and time. And anytime I state this, 10 people jump on and say, " my OCs didn't work!" I call BS~if you take that pill everyday, if you use foam/condoms for the rest of your cycle after a course of antibiotics, they work. It was always amazing to me how birth control worked for all the ARNPs and RNs who worked in Family Planning. But for the rest of the world it's not 100%! And they get on here with their 0.01% conception stories.
* rape, incest are not what I am referring to.

Oh my goodness. Is this real life? Are you foreal? Contraceptives fail, both oral and condoms and even IUDs. It’s a small percentage, but it happens. Science backs this up. It is possible.