Will Protests Lead to More COVID Surges?

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Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

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12 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

We all saw the video footage on TV of the protests. The protesters were not six feet apart from each other. They were closely packed together, and many (though not all) were unmasked.

The only thing I'm asking is some moral consistency relating to Coronavirus. If you're gung-ho on social distancing and everything Fauci says then practice what you preach. It's hypocrisy to flout the rules that you so parrot to others because you believe your cause can be rationalized while someone else's causes cannot.

Whadda ya gonna do with these Communists? Looks like a bunch of kids at these protests and a lot of them are wearing masks. All the spectrum of people show up at these things and it ridiculous to lump them all together as hypocrites.

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13 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

We all saw the video footage on TV of the protests. The protesters were not six feet apart from each other. They were closely packed together, and many (though not all) were unmasked.

The only thing I'm asking is some moral consistency relating to Coronavirus. If you're gung-ho on social distancing and everything Fauci says then practice what you preach. It's hypocrisy to flout the rules that you so parrot to others because you believe your cause can be rationalized while someone else's causes cannot.

Baloney.

You've offered no moral consistency here and a quick perusal of your comments provides the evidence. You've offered nothing of substance to start a conversation beyond partisan silliness about the failed American pandemic response.

20 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Tell that to the politicians and "public health experts" who have been using the power of their political office to stop public gatherings, including public protests, right up until now.

You can't talk out of the both sides of your mouth. Either you're okay with public gatherings, Coronavirus be damned, or you're not.

I'm OK with not worrying about my sons and brothers and cousins and nephews, hell myself and my daughter and my nieces and sisters too, being murdered simply because we don't have white skin. You keep trying to conflate protests for literal survival with gunned up people storming government offices for the right to be served.

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I dont understand how some people think it is OK to rationalize and justify not following the covid guidelines. I hope that the virus is on the way out but we dont know that right now. It seems many are projecting with some of their comments. It is a fact that with these people protesting that many others could get sick and even die. I understand the reasons for the protest but not the irresponsible behavior that puts others at risk of Covid not to mention all the other risk of life from the violence. (and some have already lost their lives). And yes some of our "leaders" are totally hypocritical when 1 day they are saying we need to be closed until Sept and/or until we have a vaccine and the next day that goes right out the window.

Maybe for now at least it would be better to do things from home like call Congress, Representatives etc. The cities that have the most problems are Democratic run, including Chicago which has many many black deaths most weekends including last weekend. That is a good place to start IMO. Why hasn't BLM held massive protests there to help the people. Why doesnt Al Sharpton show up there for those peoples funerals. Why havent the schools improved over the years. Why did that mayor go get her hair cut right in the middle of the pandemic and her own lockdown. This problem goes way deeper than police brutality and if you look at the statistics you will see that.

I am not at all trying to take anything away from Mr Floyds brutal assault. Those cops should pay for what they have done. But I also think it is unfair to judge the entire group and then go protest and put others at risk. I also think digging a little deeper would solve more problems and help communities more.

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My spouse and I call or email our Senators (Murkowski and Sullivan) multiple times each week. Murkowski sometimes responds. Sullivan never responds and his voice mail is often full. "Berr Virus" Don Young is our ancient and out of touch solo representative. He spent memorial day weekend unmasked visiting with a bunch of veterans and political sympathizers...the lack of role modeling is no surprise.

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This problem goes way deeper than police brutality and if you look at the statistics you will see that.

You’re right of course. There are many more unrights that need to be addressed. But I’m not sure I understand the reason you worded the quoted sentence the way you did. The fact that people of color face many injustices and disadvantages doesn’t make addressing the police issue any less urgent. To me, the opposite is true. It makes it more urgent.

Police have a legal right to use force in order to make an arrest, protect members of the public or themselves from an assault. The use of force should be necessary and proportional, meaning that you don’t use more force than needed. A suspected criminal should know that they risk being arrested, but they should also feel confident that they won’t suffer serious bodily harm or death, unless they’re actively threatening or trying to assault or kill a police officer or any other human being.

Sitting on a human beings’ neck for close to nine minutes, while he’s clearly articulating pain and showing signs of distress, is in my opinion not good policing. It’s horrible that similar incidents have happended before and are allowed to just keep happening.This matter should in my opinion have been addressed long ago, it’s way overdue.

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13 minutes ago, macawake said:

You’re right of course. There are many more unrights that need to be addressed. But I’m not sure I understand the reason you worded the quoted sentence the way you did. The fact that people of color face many injustices and disadvantages doesn’t make addressing the police issue any less urgent. To me, the opposite is true. It makes it more urgent.

Police have a legal right to use force in order to make an arrest, protect members of the public or themselves from an assault. The use of force should be necessary and proportional, meaning that you don’t use more force than needed. A suspected criminal should know that they risk being arrested, but they should also feel confident that they won’t suffer serious bodily harm or death, unless they’re actively threatening or trying to assault or kill a police officer or any other human being.

Sitting on a human beings’ neck for close to nine minutes, while he’s clearly articulating pain and showing signs of distress, is in my opinion not good policing. It’s horrible that similar incidents have happended before and are allowed to just keep happening.This matter should in my opinion have been addressed long ago, it’s way overdue.

Police have deep and wide immunity from accountability for their choices, judgement or behavior in the USA.

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14 minutes ago, macawake said:

You’re right of course. There are many more unrights that need to be addressed. But I’m not sure I understand the reason you worded the quoted sentence the way you did. The fact that people of color face many injustices and disadvantages doesn’t make addressing the police issue any less urgent. To me, the opposite is true. It makes it more urgent.

Police have a legal right to use force in order to make an arrest, protect members of the public or themselves from an assault. The use of force should be necessary and proportional, meaning that you don’t use more force than needed. A suspected criminal should know that they risk being arrested, but they should also feel confident that they won’t suffer serious bodily harm or death, unless they’re actively threatening or trying to assault or kill a police officer or any other human being.

Sitting on a human beings’ neck for close to nine minutes, while he’s clearly articulating pain and showing signs of distress, is in my opinion not good policing. It’s horrible that similar incidents have happended before and are allowed to just keep happening.This matter should in my opinion have been addressed long ago, it’s way overdue.

Yes, I agree. My point was that there are in fact many instances/allegations of police brutality/over reactions against people of all colors. When it is a POC it makes headline news and gets politicized against cops no matter what the facts say. For instance, last year there were more police killings of unarmed white people than black (apparently not news worthy). And while we have a hx here of systemic racism we (as a country) have worked hard to fix those injustices that people before us put in place (many losing their lives in the process). There may be pockets here and there of out right racism but the "system" does not allow it and people have recourse (although I get it doesnt always work). Of course the injustices and disadvantages of POC should be addressed and corrected. My point was that I dont think a protest in the middle of Covid is the best way to go about it. These problems have existed long before Covid and should have been addressed decades ago. The majority of large cities in the US that have these problems are Democratic run and have been for a long time and the problems only get worse which only hurts people more, their policies do not work, their policies do not help POC in the long run. Chicago is a perfect example of this. If BLM and people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson truly cared about black people then why dont they do more than show up for a protest/riot or funeral. They all had the perfect opportunity when Obama/Biden were in office. Black/Democratic officials in Chicago, black president, Sharpton, Jackson etc, all could have really worked together and made a difference. Why didn't they? Why dont they show up all those funerals of POC in Chicago who routinely get killed, or the innocent black people who were killed in the protest/riots? We need more real leadership and less lip service for any real hope and change to occur. And the fact the news organizations come out and blame the cops with zero knowledge of how any given incident occured is not helpful to any individual and is in fact hurting our society as a whole. Although in the case of Mr Floyd it is obvious the cop was wrong and was just beyond horrible! Why dont these so called main stream news shows do reporting on these issues in the poor black communities? That lip service in a sense is their job but I dont see much (if any) reporting on that. Why not? Racism exists across all races and sadly probably always will. We should all try to combat that and not stoke the fires. I am afraid we have too many people (of all races) doing just that. We should all take what we hear with a grain of salt IMO.

1 hour ago, macawake said:

You’re right of course. There are many more unrights that need to be addressed. But I’m not sure I understand the reason you worded the quoted sentence the way you did. The fact that people of color face many injustices and disadvantages doesn’t make addressing the police issue any less urgent. To me, the opposite is true. It makes it more urgent.

Police have a legal right to use force in order to make an arrest, protect members of the public or themselves from an assault. The use of force should be necessary and proportional, meaning that you don’t use more force than needed. A suspected criminal should know that they risk being arrested, but they should also feel confident that they won’t suffer serious bodily harm or death, unless they’re actively threatening or trying to assault or kill a police officer or any other human being.

Sitting on a human beings’ neck for close to nine minutes, while he’s clearly articulating pain and showing signs of distress, is in my opinion not good policing. It’s horrible that similar incidents have happended before and are allowed to just keep happening.This matter should in my opinion have been addressed long ago, it’s way overdue.

I agree, This should have been on the front burner a long time ago. The politicians who run cities like Minneapolis acting like now it's an issue because they can use it for political gain when before they didn't do anything about it is disingenuous at best.

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1 hour ago, Daisy4RN said:

Yes, I agree. My point was that there are in fact many instances/allegations of police brutality/over reactions against people of all colors. When it is a POC it makes headline news and gets politicized against cops no matter what the facts say. For instance, last year there were more police killings of unarmed white people than black (apparently not news worthy). And while we have a hx here of systemic racism we (as a country) have worked hard to fix those injustices that people before us put in place (many losing their lives in the process). There may be pockets here and there of out right racism but the "system" does not allow it and people have recourse (although I get it doesnt always work). Of course the injustices and disadvantages of POC should be addressed and corrected. My point was that I dont think a protest in the middle of Covid is the best way to go about it. These problems have existed long before Covid and should have been addressed decades ago. The majority of large cities in the US that have these problems are Democratic run and have been for a long time and the problems only get worse which only hurts people more, their policies do not work, their policies do not help POC in the long run. Chicago is a perfect example of this. If BLM and people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson truly cared about black people then why dont they do more than show up for a protest/riot or funeral. They all had the perfect opportunity when Obama/Biden were in office. Black/Democratic officials in Chicago, black president, Sharpton, Jackson etc, all could have really worked together and made a difference. Why didn't they? Why dont they show up all those funerals of POC in Chicago who routinely get killed, or the innocent black people who were killed in the protest/riots? We need more real leadership and less lip service for any real hope and change to occur. And the fact the news organizations come out and blame the cops with zero knowledge of how any given incident occured is not helpful to any individual and is in fact hurting our society as a whole. Although in the case of Mr Floyd it is obvious the cop was wrong and was just beyond horrible! Why dont these so called main stream news shows do reporting on these issues in the poor black communities? That lip service in a sense is their job but I dont see much (if any) reporting on that. Why not? Racism exists across all races and sadly probably always will. We should all try to combat that and not stoke the fires. I am afraid we have too many people (of all races) doing just that. We should all take what we hear with a grain of salt IMO.

The racism that flourishes in the USA, however, has very specific origins and a unique history.

It is not OK to suggest that the disproportionate harming of blacks by police should just be rolled into some larger concern about police in general...their long term disproportionate pain and suffering deserves disproportionate attention. In my view.

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7 hours ago, NurseBlaq said:

You keep trying to conflate protests for literal survival with gunned up people storming government offices for the right to be served.

So the metric for ignoring the public health "expert" guidelines is what you subjectively feel to be morally repugnant versus what someone else subjectively feels. You get to be the moral arbiter of the cause that may or may not cause a second Coronavirus wave. Got it.

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