Will Protests Lead to More COVID Surges?

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Disclaimer: I know that I can't control what people post on this forum, but I'm asking that we keep the discussion as apolitical and health-centered as possible. I know there are a lot of strong opinions about police brutality, protests, and riots/vandalism/looting. If you're interested to hear people's thoughts on those topics, there's an interesting, non-healthcare discussion in the US Politics Club on AN:

https://allnurses.com/riots-minneapolis-t720621/

Is anybody else seriously concerned that we might see a large surge in covid cases following all of these protests?

Last week, people were yelling on the TV about how irresponsible it was to begin Phases I/II and let people gather in groups of 10. Now, literally tens of thousands of people are gathering, and the media/public seem shockingly unconcerned. I feel like I'm getting social distancing policy whiplash.

Most of the protest pictures I've seen depict protesters wearing masks and attempting to follow covid guidelines. However, there are a ton of pics of people wearing masks incorrectly (under their noses or chins), and it's pretty much impossible to socially distance in protest/riot conditions. It seems like a nearly impossible environment to practice good hand hygiene. Plus, people are out yelling/chanting and projecting their droplets even further. I'm just so glad that they're outside instead of in a confined space.

I fully support peoples' right to demonstrate, and I generally support the protesters' rhetoric, but this seems like a recipe for disaster. With covid concerns still lingering, it seems like the worst possible time for people to be out congregating.

I'm especially worried about covid having a vastly disproportionate on black communities by the time this is all over. By now, we've probably all seen the data showing that African Americans are dying from covid at disproportionately higher rates than other races. Even if high-risk people are staying home from protests, I fear that protests could increase the spread through communities by contact with protesters. Of course, once it's out circulating in the community, the virus will be harmful to people of all races. To be perfectly honest, I also worry about huge outbreaks through the police force, too.

Even before all of this began, many states were starting Phase I/II despite an increasing numbers of cases. My state had the biggest spike we'd ever seen the day before Phase II started, and we went ahead with Phase II anyway (just before Memorial Day, when a ton of people were out socializing and ignoring distancing orders). It seems like the protests will fuel the spread of covid even further.

Outside of the big metro areas, most cities had relatively tiny covid surges since the stay at home orders were so effective. It seems like the smaller impact has lulled citizens of those cities/states into a false sense of security. I'm concerned that places like Minneapolis, which experienced a smaller impact the first go around, are going to see huge, unprecedented surges and start running out of beds/vents.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I wonder what media is mostly focused upon the rioting...you know...that small subset of people intentionally causing trouble for the protesters, rather than on the real and righteous reason for the protests. That seems like very biased and skewed reporting. I might widen my media choices if it appeared I wasn't getting the important facts needed to discern truth for myself.

CNN, MSNBC, FOX, local channels. Pick one...any time I flip through, its there to the extent that I go to curiosity stream, or the like, and watch documentaries. The screaming and screeching of the media have totally turned me off

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4 hours ago, Simonesays said:

I would argue that if it isn't protested now, it will only get worse.

Then let's be intellectually consistent here. Are these protesters also "covidiots"? Are they also culpable for the deaths of countless elderly and immunocompromised Americans, who are going to unwittingly be exposed to protesters at grocery stores and other "essential" workplaces? Should they be fined for refusing to quarantine? Why doesn't the media call them out for being "selfish" and putting the lives of millions in danger?

According to the left-wing "public health experts", it was of paramount importance to stay home and stop a second wave. So by that logic, if the political cause can be rationalized, it's now okay to have millions more Coronavirus cases in a second wave?

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32 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Then let's be intellectually consistent here. Are these protesters also "covidiots"? Are they also culpable for the deaths of countless elderly and immunocompromised Americans, who are going to unwittingly be exposed to protesters at grocery stores and other "essential" workplaces? Should they be fined for refusing to quarantine? Why doesn't the media call them out for being "selfish" and putting the lives of millions in danger?

According to the left-wing "public health experts", it was of paramount importance to stay home and stop a second wave. So by that logic, if the political cause can be rationalized, it's now okay to have millions more Coronavirus cases in a second wave?

Nah.

COVIDiots are the people protesting the common sense public health recommendations or insisting that the pandemic is over hyped by the media to somehow make someone look someway politically. Those people ignoring the dangers of the contagion for no good reason..or maybe those suggesting that the economy is more immigrant than human life or suffering. How is that not obvious?

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1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

CNN, MSNBC, FOX, local channels. Pick one...any time I flip through, its there to the extent that I go to curiosity stream, or the like, and watch documentaries. The screaming and screeching of the media have totally turned me off

I don't consume much cable television programming as I don't have cable TV or Internet access to my home. I do occasionally download or access some news programming from Youtube. I feel that I can get a pretty comprehensive idea of what is going on by subscribing to and reading things like WaPo, NYT, Reuters, Military Times, Business Insider, etc while watching PBS and free antenna news broadcasts. I'm partial to CBS in that category.

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6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Can we listen? Will us white folk feel a need to argue with her?

I am crying at the difficulties Kimberly Jones expresses here. She and others like her are in my prayers. She is not planning to hurt and loot. he is still wanting EQUAL JUSTICE UNDER THE LAW. She poured her heart out. Can anyone reading this listen to her and not gain a bit of understanding? Please if you don't know what happened regarding the White riots in Tulsa, OK and the massacre in Rosewood use a search engine or watch the Rosewood movie.

I am blessed with having a great family, An amazing Priest, teachers, and friends of many backgrounds. unlike my Mom I never went hungry or without necessities. I know MANY White parents who can understand the added worries of mothers and fathers of Black boys and young men. All parents know the fear for their children.

As the mother of a Black son, who has been stopped MANY times and never arrested I am glad we had "The Talk" throughout our kid's lives as we thought was age appropriate. My husband's first wife had it with my wonderful step-sons. All are fine men. (They do have a cousin in a family with a police officer, an attorney, and a drug addict/robber. That one was once arrested at 3:00 am carrying a TV. He told his dad, "They only arrested me because I was Black." His Dad, my wonderful BIL said, "I've been Black longer than you and have never been arrested.") PS: He finally straightened out, as far as I know.

I remember walking with my Mom, Grandma, sisters, and cousins from the train station to a church in Amarillo, Texas when two men blocked the sidewalk and sneered, "Look at the N*****s. They are so dumb they don't know to walk in the gutter when a TEXAN walks down the street.". My aunt at the time was a beautiful well dressed woman who said, "Well Bless Your Heart! You just don't know better. Let's pray for them." We did and they let us pass. Stuff like that was not easy for my Grandma, Mom, and aunt. But we survived. MANY know so much worse that I try not to complain.

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51 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't consume much cable television programming as I don't have cable TV or Internet access to my home. I do occasionally download or access some news programming from Youtube. I feel that I can get a pretty comprehensive idea of what is going on by subscribing to and reading things like WaPo, NYT, Reuters, Military Times, Business Insider, etc while watching PBS and free antenna news broadcasts. I'm partial to CBS in that category.

Me too. Newspapers on line, NPR radio, and antenna TV are enough news for me.

Experts Fear Mass Protests May Cause New Coronavirus Outbreaks Around The U.S.

The United States has entered a dangerous new phase in the fight against the coronavirus. The country is reopening even though the virus is still spreading. And now with civil unrest intensifying, masses of people are taking to the streets. Here is NPR health correspondent Rob Stein to talk about this.

KELLY: I want to consider the protests purely from a health point of view for a second. What is the risk that these demonstrations and marches spark significant new outbreaks of the virus?

STEIN: You know, the protests are outdoors. And many of the protesters are wearing masks and seem to be trying, at least, to sometimes practice social distancing. That helps a lot. But, you know, mass gatherings are inherently dangerous situations. You know, and here in this situation, people are chanting. Tear gas is being fired. I talked about this with Dr. Ashish Jha at Harvard.

ASHISH JHA: I do worry that a few weeks down the road, we will see increase in cases and potentially some outbreaks and really harm the communities that have been the subject of both racial violence and have been so disproportionately impacted by this virus....

... RICHARD BESSER: We're seeing public health and public health recommendations put up as the enemy of restarting the economy, getting people back to work; a lot of people saying, you know what? I don't think this is such a big deal. And no, I don't want to wear a mask. I don't want to social distance. I just want to get back to the way things were. That's a very dangerous course.

STEIN: Now, you know, it doesn't mean all hope is lost. If the country does get serious about things we've been hearing a lot about, like finally getting enough testing, aggressively isolating sick people and quarantining...

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/02/868209647/experts-fear-mass-protests-may-cause-new-coronavirus-outbreaks-around-the-u-s

Are y'all really conflating and comparing protesting for a haircut with protesting for the right to live and not die by police force or racists simply because of the color of your skin? The main people conflating the two, on multiple social media platforms, are also the same people cheering on the fools storming government buildings with weapons.

Plus, let's be real here. Some of y'all are making this a completely political issue. These protests against racism and police violence are apolitical and last I checked there were people from all races, religions, creeds, political standing, etc out there protesting for the same cause. To ignore that just to play politics is petty and/or bigoted. No excuses.

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2 minutes ago, NurseBlaq said:

These protests against racism and police violence are apolitical and last I checked there were people from all races, religions, creeds, political standing, etc out there protesting for the same cause.

Tell that to the politicians and "public health experts" who have been using the power of their political office to stop public gatherings, including public protests, right up until now.

You can't talk out of the both sides of your mouth. Either you're okay with public gatherings, Coronavirus be damned, or you're not.

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On 6/3/2020 at 8:55 PM, pixierose said:

You really are a black and white, no shades of gray kind of guy ... aren’t ya?

I take it that no matter how many links anyone posts from any reputable post, you won’t read any of them ... you’ll just keep saying the same thing you say in every thread ... coronavirus Karen, blah blah blah liberal government blah ...

Yawn.

You forgot his obsession with Communists out to take he freedoms away:)

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2 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Then let's be intellectually consistent here. Are these protesters also "covidiots"? Are they also culpable for the deaths of countless elderly and immunocompromised Americans, who are going to unwittingly be exposed to protesters at grocery stores and other "essential" workplaces? Should they be fined for refusing to quarantine? Why doesn't the media call them out for being "selfish" and putting the lives of millions in danger?

According to the left-wing "public health experts", it was of paramount importance to stay home and stop a second wave. So by that logic, if the political cause can be rationalized, it's now okay to have millions more Coronavirus cases in a second wave?

I am 75 years old. I only go to the grocery store, the pharmacy, and walk with or without a dog for exercise. Where I live everyone wears a mask or pulls it up if passing on the sidewalk. Stores require wearing a mask and staying at least six feet away. When wearing a mask I don't touch my face and keep glasses on. then immediately wash hands when home and again after putting packaging in trash or recycle bin. Husband only goes to the doctor and talks with family and friends on the phone.

Yes some of the people shopping and working at the store attended protests. BUT they are at least six feet away from me and wearing a mask. How risky is that?

In my state although the governor and mayors have health recommendations I don't know of anyone has been fined or arrested for not wearing a mask. Neighborly friendly peer pressure and handing them a mask seems to help people do the right thing.

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1 minute ago, herring_RN said:

Yes some of the people shopping and working at the store attended protests. BUT they are at least six feet away from me and wearing a mask. How risky is that?

We all saw the video footage on TV of the protests. The protesters were not six feet apart from each other. They were closely packed together, and many (though not all) were unmasked.

The only thing I'm asking is some moral consistency relating to Coronavirus. If you're gung-ho on social distancing and everything Fauci says then practice what you preach. It's hypocrisy to flout the rules that you so parrot to others because you believe your cause can be rationalized while someone else's causes cannot.

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11 hours ago, herring_RN said:

I am 75 years old. I only go to the grocery store, the pharmacy, and walk with or without a dog for exercise. Where I live everyone wears a mask or pulls it up if passing on the sidewalk. Stores require wearing a mask and staying at least six feet away. When wearing a mask I don't touch my face and keep glasses on. then immediately wash hands when home and again after putting packaging in trash or recycle bin. Husband only goes to the doctor and talks with family and friends on the phone.

Yes some of the people shopping and working at the store attended protests. BUT they are at least six feet away from me and wearing a mask. How risky is that?

In my state although the governor and mayors have health recommendations I don't know of anyone has been fined or arrested for not wearing a mask. Neighborly friendly peer pressure and handing them a mask seems to help people do the right thing.

In what way is Herring flouting the rules?

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