WHY do employers that give 2-3 days orientation require a month's notice of resignati

[Nola009]

My current employer gave me 2 days of haphazard orientation (even as a new grad) and somehow still has the nerve to require a full month's notice in order to leave on good terms. Is this normal?? It's a part time position with low pay and no benefits.

[elkpark]

I know you're right--- I might not really care to use them as a reference, but I was hoping to keep them as a PRN gig for awhile.

It's not really a matter of whether you want to use them as a reference. Most employment applications tell you to list all employment for the last (X number of) years, or just all nursing employment, period. If you list them on the application, there's a good chance a potential employer will contact them for a reference. If you leave them off an application and the potential employer finds out you worked for them (which can happen; if you worked for them for any significant amount of time, long enough to get paychecks, it will probably show up in your background check and increasing numbers of employers do credit checks; it can show up in a credit check), many employers consider that sufficiently dishonest to drop you from consideration for employment.

Satisfying as it may be at the time to just do what you feel like doing, this sort of thing can come back to bite you much later, when you least expect it. You can never go wrong "taking the high road" in nursing.

[Nola009]

Well, I gave them the length of notice they were asking for. It can be hard when you've come to.expect passive-agressive retaliation tactics. They seem like nice, respectable people so far. I have trust issues.

[chare]

Ineligible for rehire cannot be pulled for giving the standard 2 weeks notice.

Yes, it can. Each facility can determine whether an employee is eligible for rehire, as well as determining what an appropriate notice is for submitting a resignation.

In fact, the question is hardly in use because of the legal issues it raises.

Really? Exactly what legal issues are you referring to? While many people don't want to believe this, a previous employer is free to say anything they want regarding your employment, as long as it is factual.

We are professionals and working under this veiled threat makes us look like children, afraid of a spanking.

A large part of being a professional is acting like one; when you leave a company, and expect a decent post-employment referral, you do it under their terms, like them or not.

[ArtClassRN, ADN, RN]

It's always up to you to accept or not accept a job proposal that you feel has draconian terms.

My personal policy is to give at least one month's official notice when I leave any job.

[IndianaHH]

Indiana is a "at will state"... which means a facility can fire someone without notice or even good cause. It's used as a veiled threat...no job security.

It also works going the other direction, someone can quit without notice. Employers hate it when they pull the "two wk notice" routine, and the reply is "Indiana is at will".

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

Even in an "At Will" state an employer may not legally terminate an employee if there is language in the employee handbook or a union contract thet describes reasons for involuntary termination. Unions generally have a requirement that termination be for "Just Cause".

Employment at Will legal definition of Employment at Will. Employment at Will synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

[liebling5, MSN, RN]

Many applications include a box you can check if you give permission to contact the reference. List the employer, but if you have that option, check "no."

[Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN]

Ineligible for rehire cannot be pulled for giving the standard 2 weeks notice. In fact, the question is hardly in use because of the legal issues it raises.

This sub par facility should NOT be able to make her work past two weeks notice... period.

We are professionals and working under this veiled threat makes us look like children, afraid of a spanking.

I have personally sen management and HR mark do not re-hire for insufficient notice...they wanted 4 weeks

[caroladybelle, BSN, RN]

Many applications include a box you can check if you give permission to contact the reference. List the employer, but if you have that option, check "no."

And in most places, your app will go in the circular fil.

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

I worked for an employer that had it stated clearly in the New Employee Handbook that an employee was expected to give the same period of time as a notice that they had for vacation. In other words, a nurse with 3 weeks vacation was expected to give (at a minimum, of course) three weeks' notice. A manager with four gives four; an aide with two gives two.

The handbook was given out during orientation and we all signed that we understood the policies, on a page that was torn out of the handbook and turned in before the end of the HR orientation /classroom gig.

You didn't have to sign it. But then you also didn't expect to stay on past orientation, either.....

If you didn't give the proper notice, they'd refuse to give you owed vacation time; if you didn't have the time to get back, they'd make it clear you were a DNH file filler.

[mmc51264, BSN, MSN, RN]

i was originally told that I only needed to give 2 weeks and then told 30 days. If I wanted to be "eligible for re-hire" AND get the cash buyout of my PTO that I had accrued, I had make up the shifts that would equal the shifts for 30 days. I had already accepted a job and had a start date, so my old job helped get me the shifts in around my orientation schedule so everything was proper.

[RNlove17]

First off, you are not a slave. Technically you can leave anytime you want. Do they give you 4 weeks notice if they are going to can you? I don't think so. There is no law that says you even have to give 2 weeks.

HOWEVER - That said, they can give bad references or say no re-hire or whatever else punitive measures they want to take. You can leave whenever, but it doesn't mean you can leave without them trying to screw you over too. Giving 4 weeks means they (probably) won't screw you over.

Keep in mind though that many facilities won't even give out real references anymore bc of legality issues, they'll just give dates worked. That's how it's been everywhere I have worked. And I personally always just give names of people to use as references, they don't call the general facility.