What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Assistedl8ving · Jul 21, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You might be missing the point that they seemed to want the man to say that he wanted the woman to be sterilized... as if it's his body or his choice. Think about that... they needed the MAN'S permission to perform a reproductive health procedure on the requesting WOMAN.

Why should the man get to choose whether or not the woman is rendered sterile? Could he also decide that she should be sterile if she didn't want to be sterile?

What legal issues really?

Perhaps a woman changes her mind after the fact. Her husband agrees and thinks the surgeon should have at least consulted him as well. Boom, now you have yourself a law suite. The husband will claim harm seek damages.

My facility has been taken to court for several different things. Getting the whole family in agreement as a holistic approach only serves to decrease the likelihood that the one family member doesn't try to cause legal trouble. Involving the family when appropriate is very helpful.

Again, the story didn't claim she needed the husband's permission. And no, ultimately she doesn't need it either. Currently the father doesn't even know when a pregnancy will be terminated.

It's a unlikely story on social media designed to inflame people and shouldn't be considered in what may or may not happen.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Jul 21, 2022

12 hours ago, nursej22 said:

In 1983, I was scheduled for my third Caesarean section (age 26) and my husband was asked to co-sign the consent. This was in a state where the predominant religion dictated that the husband was the head of the family. My hubby was puzzled, but he signed because he respected my autonomy.

And this is what I get for trying to post from my phone. My husband was not asked to sign my consent for a Caesarean, he was asked to sign for the tubal ligation that I requested to be performed at the same time. It felt as though I was potentially taking away his "right" to procreate.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 21, 2022

2 hours ago, Assistedl8ving said:

Okay.

1)I think a surgeon most likely has some self autonomy and it may be a requirement for them personally, or a facility policy to protect against being sued. The story on social media didn't say if the surgeon refused to do the tuba litigation unless the husband gave consent nor if it is a conservative state or the religious beliefs of the Dr. My facility we ask the spouse as well just as an extra. However of the spouse refuses to sign, doesn't mean we refuse the proceedure.

Is there a state that now requires a husband permission or a law being proposed by Republicans to make women get consent for permanent reproductive procedures?

My only point is that antedotal stories with no context on social media are not a reliable source. To me it sounds explotive to 2) create a narrative to give the impression that all women's rights are going to be infringed upon. That all I was saying.

1) Are you saying that the surgeon has the autonomy to violate the woman's right to privacy in her health information? Are you implying that the surgeon may decide who to discuss the procedures with if his patient is a woman and the procedure is related to reproductive health?

I'm not talking about a social media case... I'm talking about the realities of this world and what you are saying about what you believe to be true or possible.

2)That's not a narrative that is created out of thin air... that's a narrative created out of the history of women's rights and social conservative commentary. Women of child bearing age DID just lose their right to bodily autonomy and health care privacy with the recent SCOTUS debacle.

Justice Thomas gave us notice that they may be looking to upset marriage rights next.

Let's discuss the actual facts and evidence and current events and not the nonsense people find in social media.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jul 21, 2022

How about getting healthcare information from legitimate medical and nursing resources rather than social media posts --no validity there.

Assistedl8ving · Jul 21, 2022

20 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

1) Are you saying that the surgeon has the autonomy to violate the woman's right to privacy in her health information? Are you implying that the surgeon may decide who to discuss the procedures with if his patient is a woman and the procedure is related to reproductive health?

I'm not talking about a social media case... I'm talking about the realities of this world and what you are saying about what you believe to be true or possible.

2)That's not a narrative that is created out of thin air... that's a narrative created out of the history of women's rights and social conservative commentary. Women of child bearing age DID just lose their right to bodily autonomy and health care privacy with the recent SCOTUS debacle.

Justice Thomas gave us notice that they may be looking to upset marriage rights next.

Let's discuss the actual facts and evidence and current events and not the nonsense people find in social media.

Are you purposely misrepresenting my words? Did I do something to offend you? Your post seem unnecessarily aggressive.

I did not say anything to that effect. All I said was that we shouldn't put weight into a story from a random person on social media.

A surgeon can decide what he requires in order to not be brought up in a law suite. If he doesn't feel comfortable doing a permanent proceedure then he shouldn't do it. No where did it say the surgeon refused to do it because the husband didn't sign or give permission. This is all a just story on social media by a person who may not even exist. Or severely lacking context. Or do you have a credible source alluding that women will now in fact have to get their husband's permission for medical care? Or a legislation being proposed somewhere? You don't even need your husband's permission to have an abortion. So this idea is silly to me.

The Supreme Court didn't ban abortion outright. Women can still have abortions, yet it be harder in some states. That is bad, it shouldn't be that way. I agree it should not have been overturned. Trying to suggest that because Roe was overturned now women are going to need their husband's permission for medical procedures is an extreme radical belief found on social media platforms.

This side of allnurses is somewhat hostile. Perhaps I should back myself out of this rabbit hole. Geeze.

Assistedl8ving · Jul 21, 2022

7 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

How about getting healthcare information from legitimate medical and nursing resources rather than social media posts --no validity there.

I agree. That's what I was saying all along. We shouldn't put weight on a story on social media and get all freaked out and think all women's right will be taken away.

No Stars In My Eyes · Jul 21, 2022

I had an illegal abortion in 1969. I had my tubes cut, tied, and cauterized in 1977, by Planned Parenthood. Both procedures were done when I was single, unmarried, and had no children.

No permission was needed from anybody about any of it.

No Stars In My Eyes · Jul 21, 2022

That was an anecdotal story. No data-data-data-data-data to post.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 21, 2022

2 hours ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I agree. That's what I was saying all along. We shouldn't put weight on a story on social media and get all freaked out and think all women's right will be taken away.

You are the one who keeps bringing the irrelevant social media content into the discussion.

There is good reason to be concerned about the direction the SCOTUS and republican legislators in the states are taking relative to rights to privacy, marriage, autonomy, voting, etc.

Beerman, BSN · Jul 22, 2022

The New York Times on Thursday published a series of mea culpas from eight of its opinion columnists about how they were each “wrong” on a variety of topics, ranging from the inflation and facebook to Trump voters.

"....For his part, Krugman admitted to getting it wrong when it came to inflation, noting that he brushed off any fears that President Biden’s $1.9 trillion rescue package could lead to inflation.“Some warned that the package would be dangerously inflationary; others were fairly relaxed. I was Team Relaxed. As it turned out, of course, that was a very bad call,”.....

. "In his essay, Stephens said he wrongly judged Trump supporters, initially taking “broad swipes” at them without understanding why they voted for former President Donald Trump.

“What Trump’s supporters saw was a candidate whose entire being was a proudly raised middle finger at a self-satisfied elite that had produced a failing status quo,” he wrote. “I was blind to this.”“I could have thought a little harder about the fact that, in my dripping condescension toward his supporters, I was also confirming their suspicions about people like me — people who talked a good game about the virtues of empathy but practice it only selectively; people unscathed by the country’s problems yet unembarrassed to propound solutions,” Stephens concluded."

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/ny-times-columnists-admit-to-being-wrong-in-series-of-mea-culpas/

Hoosier_RN, MSN · Jul 22, 2022

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

The New York Times on Thursday published a series of mea culpas from eight of its opinion columnists about how they were each “wrong” on a variety of topics, ranging from the inflation and facebook to Trump voters.

"....For his part, Krugman admitted to getting it wrong when it came to inflation, noting that he brushed off any fears that President Biden’s $1.9 trillion rescue package could lead to inflation.“Some warned that the package would be dangerously inflationary; others were fairly relaxed. I was Team Relaxed. As it turned out, of course, that was a very bad call,”.....

. "In his essay, Stephens said he wrongly judged Trump supporters, initially taking “broad swipes” at them without understanding why they voted for former President Donald Trump.

“What Trump’s supporters saw was a candidate whose entire being was a proudly raised middle finger at a self-satisfied elite that had produced a failing status quo,” he wrote. “I was blind to this.”“I could have thought a little harder about the fact that, in my dripping condescension toward his supporters, I was also confirming their suspicions about people like me — people who talked a good game about the virtues of empathy but practice it only selectively; people unscathed by the country’s problems yet unembarrassed to propound solutions,” Stephens concluded."

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/ny-times-columnists-admit-to-being-wrong-in-series-of-mea-culpas/

While I agree that these guys definitely made mistakes, it's happened in many other sources, both right and left leaning. That's why I don't particularly trust any media source fully. They can say that they're unbiased, but you can generally pick apart some things and see it

chare · Jul 22, 2022

Zeldin, Republican Candidate for New York Governor, Is Attacked at Campaign Event

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Representative Lee Zeldin, the Republican candidate for governor of New York, was attacked on Thursday at a campaign event outside Rochester by a man with a pointed weapon who dragged him to the ground before being subdued by several other men, according to officials and videos of the attack. Mr. Zeldin was not injured, a campaign representative said.

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