What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Beerman, BSN · Jul 22, 2022

6 hours ago, Beerman said:

The New York Times on Thursday published a series of mea culpas from eight of its opinion columnists about how they were each “wrong” on a variety of topics, ranging from the inflation and facebook to Trump voters.

"....For his part, Krugman admitted to getting it wrong when it came to inflation, noting that he brushed off any fears that President Biden’s $1.9 trillion rescue package could lead to inflation.“Some warned that the package would be dangerously inflationary; others were fairly relaxed. I was Team Relaxed. As it turned out, of course, that was a very bad call,”.....

. "In his essay, Stephens said he wrongly judged Trump supporters, initially taking “broad swipes” at them without understanding why they voted for former President Donald Trump.

“What Trump’s supporters saw was a candidate whose entire being was a proudly raised middle finger at a self-satisfied elite that had produced a failing status quo,” he wrote. “I was blind to this.”“I could have thought a little harder about the fact that, in my dripping condescension toward his supporters, I was also confirming their suspicions about people like me — people who talked a good game about the virtues of empathy but practice it only selectively; people unscathed by the country’s problems yet unembarrassed to propound solutions,” Stephens concluded."

https://nypost.com/2022/07/21/ny-times-columnists-admit-to-being-wrong-in-series-of-mea-culpas/

And, about the Russia Collusion Hoax:

“To this day, precious few anti-Trumpers have been honest with themselves about the elaborate hoax — there’s just no other word for it — that was the Steele dossier and all the bogus allegations, credulously parroted in the mainstream media, that flowed from it,” Stephens wrote."

https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/21/nyts-bret-stephens-becomes-first-corporate-media-figure-to-acknowledge-russian-collusion-was-a-hoax/

Assistedl8ving · Jul 22, 2022

4 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

While I agree that these guys definitely made mistakes, it's happened in many other sources, both right and left leaning. That's why I don't particularly trust any media source fully. They can say that they're unbiased, but you can generally pick apart some things and see it

Yes. I do not trust media sources outright either. Doesn't matter what the truth is, simple selection of words and phrases along with facial expression and body language, can be very misleading and impressionable on the consumer. A fact can be said a 1000 ways and can be taken any direction the source decides.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 22, 2022

15 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

Yes. I do not trust media sources outright either. Doesn't matter what the truth is, simple selection of words and phrases along with facial expression and body language, can be very misleading and impressionable on the consumer. A fact can be said a 1000 ways and can be taken any direction the source decides.

They were opinions...now they've changed their opinions (sort of).

Of course the truth matters.

Did you know that if you say an untrue thing, and keep saying it over and over, that some people will begin to believe this untrue thing. Goebbels used this reality to create a political advantage, so did Trump. His press and communications team introduced us to Trump's alternative facts with their very first briefing after the inauguration. This was a pattern of conduct.

There are still people who believe that Trump won, there were serious irregularities or that the election was fraught with fraud... they believe that because those sentiments are repeated over and over... every though there's not a shed of evidence that they are true.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Jul 22, 2022

Opinion pieces are not meant to be sources of facts. And that's what the aforementioned pieces were, opinions. They should provoke thought and pursuit of facts to back those opinions. Many times the NYTimes opinions with have links to factual articles. And the Times prints opinions from across the political spectrum. @Beerman seems to be a fan of Marc Thiessen, for instance.

Just because a media source publishes opinions and editorials does not mean it does not publish facts.

Assistedl8ving · Jul 22, 2022

18 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

They were opinions...now they've changed their opinions (sort of).

Of course the truth matters.

Did you know that if you say an untrue thing, and keep saying it over and over, that some people will begin to believe this untrue thing. Goebbels used this reality to create a political advantage, so did Trump. His press and communications team introduced us to Trump's alternative facts with their very first briefing after the inauguration. This was a pattern of conduct.

There are still people who believe that Trump won, there were serious irregularities or that the election was fraught with fraud... they believe that because those sentiments are repeated over and over... every though there's not a shed of evidence that they are true.

The state of our political system is sad. I do not trust either side really. At this point it is frustrating that people think things that are not true but we can not control what people think. I'm not sure that is a bad thing.

If people want to believe something untruthful, let them,as long as they do not do violence, they can think what they like.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 22, 2022

2 minutes ago, Assistedl8ving said:

The state of our political system is sad. I do not trust either side really. At this point it is frustrating that people think things that are not true but we can not control what people think. I'm not sure that is a bad thing.

If people want to believe something untruthful, let them,as long as they do not do violence, they can think what they like.

Maybe the state of our political system suffers (at least in part) from a two party system where one party has fully embraced the power of propaganda and alternative truths since 2016. Maybe the state of our political system is endangered by a large group of poorly informed and easily manipulated voters who voluntarily maintain a very narrow media diet.

We have poorly informed, misled and angry people who have already committed acts of violence in response to political lies...the "no violence" boat sailed some time back.

Assistedl8ving · Jul 22, 2022

39 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Maybe the state of our political system suffers (at least in part) from a two party system where one party has fully embraced the power of propaganda and alternative truths since 2016. Maybe the state of our political system is endangered by a large group of poorly informed and easily manipulated voters who voluntarily maintain a very narrow media diet.

We have poorly informed, misled and angry people who have already committed acts of violence in response to political lies...the "no violence" boat sailed some time back.

I hear what you are saying.its easy to get caught up in the characters of people, it obvious you have no respect for Trump supporters and even Republicans? Thats your choice. Propaganda has been a technique of politics forever. It's not new.

I am not down playing Jan.6 but I do think it was a failed attempt of disorganized insurectionist who probably didn't feel that was what they were doing in their own minds.

I never condone violence so for me that boat never sails.

With all due respect, I find that you take a strong opposition to anything Republican. This I find is a strong sentiment from democrats. Where as there may be good reason, it doesn't help our country when either side thinks the other is Satan himself.

For us to move on, everyone needs to stop, listen and attempt to see the others point of view. It can be small steps, like on this site. Without that, our Democratic Republic is definitely in peril.

Beerman, BSN · Jul 22, 2022

1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

Opinion pieces are not meant to be sources of facts. And that's what the aforementioned pieces were, opinions. They should provoke thought and pursuit of facts to back those opinions. Many times the NYTimes opinions with have links to factual articles. And the Times prints opinions from across the political spectrum. @Beerman seems to be a fan of Marc Thiessen, for instance.

Just because a media source publishes opinions and editorials does not mean it does not publish facts.

I think we all understand this (although I know next to nothing about Marc Thiessen), so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

I do know that often when I post opinion pieces, instead of discussing how one might agree or disagree with the opinion, the source is critiqued, or a insult is thrown at me for I dared to read such a source, or it's pointed out that it's just an opinion, like you just did.

Assistedl8ving · Jul 22, 2022

32 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I think we all understand this (although I know next to nothing about Marc Thiessen), so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

I do know that often when I post opinion pieces, instead of discussing how one might agree or disagree with the opinion, the source is critiqued, or a insult is thrown at me for I dared to read such a source, or it's pointed out that it's just an opinion, like you just did.

Yes. I see this allot as well. Almost like a deliberate effort to defame a news source in order to discourage others from using it.

If I was

Hoosier_RN, MSN · Jul 22, 2022

2 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Opinion pieces are not meant to be sources of facts. And that's what the aforementioned pieces were, opinions. They should provoke thought and pursuit of facts to back those opinions. Many times the NYTimes opinions with have links to factual articles. And the Times prints opinions from across the political spectrum. @Beerman seems to be a fan of Marc Thiessen, for instance.

Just because a media source publishes opinions and editorials does not mean it does not publish facts.

I agree, but when they are presented as facts, and some of these things are, vulnerable people, who don't educate themselves, believe these things

subee, MSN, CRNA · Jul 22, 2022

6 hours ago, chare said:

Zeldin, Republican Candidate for New York Governor, Is Attacked at Campaign Event

Fortunately, no injuries. There are entirely too many angry, crazy people wandering around. But our laws favor their rights over the public safety. I don't know what it would take to reverse that process or whether the constitution of either the US or NY state would allow. When they closed Willowbrook and other large state institutions, crime soared in NYC. There was even a case where a woman was arrested for pooping on the sidewalk and the judge untimately decided that s

2 hours ago, Assistedl8ving said:

Yes. I do not trust media sources outright either. Doesn't matter what the truth is, simple selection of words and phrases along with facial expression and body language, can be very misleading and impressionable on the consumer. A fact can be said a 1000 ways and can be taken any direction the source decides.

It doesn't matter what the truth is? It's up to us to TRY to find the truth in a world where "sources" are just media personalities and have no journalistic ethics or safety rails. Just because you may not want to spend the time and effort to track down reliable sources doesn't mean that they don't exist.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 22, 2022

1 hour ago, Assistedl8ving said:

I hear what you are saying.its easy to get caught up in the characters of people, it obvious you have no respect for Trump supporters and even Republicans? Thats your choice. Propaganda has been a technique of politics forever. It's not new.

I am not down playing Jan.6 but I do think it was a failed attempt of disorganized insurectionist who probably didn't feel that was what they were doing in their own minds.

I never condone violence so for me that boat never sails.

With all due respect, I find that you take a strong opposition to anything Republican. This I find is a strong sentiment from democrats. Where as there may be good reason, it doesn't help our country when either side thinks the other is Satan himself.

For us to move on, everyone needs to stop, listen and attempt to see the others point of view. It can be small steps, like on this site. Without that, our Democratic Republic is definitely in peril.

Would you agree that character is important? Do you think that we are suffering the consequences of elevating people of poor character and shabby morals into positions of authority?

Correct, I have little respect for people who continue to support and defend Trump. Why should I respect them or their support for the fellow who is trying to break our democratic republic? Yeah... that sense that Trump is a direct threat to our constitution generates some strong sentiments among those who can recognize it...I call people alarmed by the attempt to overthrow our government patriots, apparently you call them democrats even though many of them (like me) have never identified as Democrat.

With all due respect, you are making an assumption based upon your exposure to a tiny representation of my comments on this platform... that says something about you not me.

Yeah, when you compare January 6 to BLM protests you are downplaying the significance of the corrupt intentions behind the attempted coup. You just don't realize that's what you are doing.

It doesn't help "your side" when "your side" tried to overthrow the last presidential election and is busily elevating election deniers at the state level who are legalizing the mechanisms to overturn vote results.

I listen... that's why I know that Trump and his movement that is elevated in the GOP is a direct threat to our republic.