What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Beerman, BSN · Jan 8, 2022

1 hour ago, nursej22 said:

Congress has term limits. They're called elections. Ask Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue.

So, you think there should not be term limits, including for the President?

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jan 9, 2022

US Constitution 22nd Amendment: Two Term limit on the President

nursej22, MSN, RN · Jan 9, 2022

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

So, you think there should not be term limits, including for the President?

My, my, you do jump around.

Frankly, if lifting term limits from the presidency would do away with the hijinks that McConnell did to skew the court, then it might be worth considering. My understanding is presidential limits came about because a Democratic president was too popular to unseat.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 9, 2022

7 hours ago, Beerman said:

The data you present below seems to contradict this study.

Isn't thus good news? Why would they purposely omit Florida, if they had that data?

Yes, I was aware I was contracting myself. There seems to be contradictory data is what I'm saying.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211221/uk-study-says-omicron-not-less-severe-than-delta

Our newspaper made note that many hospitalized patients were found incidentally. So the information is out there. Maybe not in the percentages that NYC reported but it's out there and is a phenomenon here and probably nationally. Why Fox News would focus on liberal mandate heavy NYC and not Florida that is reporting 1 in 10 of the cases in the United States is obvious to me and that you even ask is strange since you know Fox's agenda.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 9, 2022

3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

My, my, you do jump around.

Frankly, if lifting term limits from the presidency would do away with the hijinks that McConnell did to skew the court, then it might be worth considering. My understanding is presidential limits came about because a Democratic president was too popular to unseat.

No, actually you're the one all over.

First, elections and term limits are not the same thing. But, based on your statement, asking your beliefs on the presidential term limits seemed reasonable.

What does whatever McConnell want to do have to do with presidential term limits?

Finally, seeing how the Democrat president you speak of was dead when term limits came to be, I doubt that him being too popular to unseat was the reason.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 9, 2022

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

Yes, I was aware I was contracting myself. There seems to be contradictory data is what I'm saying.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211221/uk-study-says-omicron-not-less-severe-than-delta

Our newspaper made note that many hospitalized patients were found incidentally. So the information is out there. Maybe not in the percentages that NYC reported but it's out there and is a phenomenon here and probably nationally. Why Fox News would focus on liberal mandate heavy NYC and not Florida that is reporting 1 in 10 of the cases in the United States is obvious to me and that you even ask is strange since you know Fox's agenda.

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying. Half the cases being incidental in NY is good news. I'm not getting why reporting that is bring critical of New York.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 9, 2022

6 hours ago, Beerman said:

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying. Half the cases being incidental in NY is good news. I'm not getting why reporting that is bring critical of New York.

It is good news and I was mainly commenting how they are reporting. The headline now is " Almost half of reported NY COVID-19 hospitalizations are not due to COVID-19". True enough.

They made it their lead story earlier but it's disappeared, but the click bait was making it negative and something like "liberal mandate heavy NYC reports half of....." or something like that. It was as if "look at liberal mandate heavy NYC fear mongering and half the hospitalizations aren't even sick with covid".

Moot point, it was just a side comment and I was wondering why NYC was the headline most important story of the day when it's a phenomenon nationwide. Meh.

Truth is with all it's mandates about having vaccines to go here and there, masks, etc. Their rates are still quite high in both cases and hospitalizations because Omicron causes symptoms in the vaccinated, and is seen incidentally in people that are asymptomatic. Like I've said, they don't often lie about what they report, but they cherry pick and spin a bit and I find that annoying but it's my issue.

toomuchbaloney · Jan 9, 2022

50 minutes ago, Tweety said:

It is good news and I was mainly commenting how they are reporting. The headline now is " Almost half of reported NY COVID-19 hospitalizations are not due to COVID-19". True enough.

They made it their lead story earlier but it's disappeared, but the click bait was making it negative and something like "liberal mandate heavy NYC reports half of....." or something like that. It was as if "look at liberal mandate heavy NYC fear mongering and half the hospitalizations aren't even sick with covid".

Moot point, it was just a side comment and I was wondering why NYC was the headline most important story of the day when it's a phenomenon nationwide. Meh.

Truth is with all it's mandates about having vaccines to go here and there, masks, etc. Their rates are still quite high in both cases and hospitalizations because Omicron causes symptoms in the vaccinated, and is seen incidentally in people that are asymptomatic. Like I've said, they don't often lie about what they report, but they cherry pick and spin a bit and I find that annoying but it's my issue.

Fox is well known to use inflammatory language to manipulate the feelings of their target audience. They are, similarly, famous for reporting that isn't terribly committed to accuracy or honesty. Remember that paragraph in the NYT article that troubled Beerman because of the way it characterized Silicon Valley? It's clear that the "concern" was contrived when the the article presented by Beerman on this topic was from Fox and represented a completely partisan effort to manipulate the emotions of the reader about covid. It's almost like that bit about the NYT was theater rather than preference for unspun journalism.

toomuchbaloney · Jan 9, 2022

Republican leadership bars journalists from Iowa Senate floor, worrying press advocates

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/01/08/iowa-senate-journalists/

It's just another step in a pretty standard march toward authoritarian rule. Do you think that most republicans understand what is happening or are they just going along with the crowd?

toomuchbaloney · Jan 9, 2022

Democracy is on the brink of disaster. For voters, it’s politics as usual.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/07/democracy-threat-voters-politics/

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Worries about the state of American democracy didn’t begin when Trump rejected the election’s results — indeed, they predate his entrance into politics. For the last two decades, analysts have connected dysfunction in governance to deepening party polarization, marked by an asymmetrical Republican shift toward procedural hardball and extremism. Trump’s rise both extended and accelerated a disturbing trend. When he trafficked in authoritarian rhetoric and brazenly mixed personal and public power — while steadily consolidating the loyalty of his party — analysts portrayed it as a lesson in “How Democracies Die” and “How to Lose a Constitutional Democracy.” As nearly 200 scholars with relevant expertise warned last Summer: “Our entire democracy is now at risk.”

Is it time for us to take the threat seriously yet or are we supposed to keep pretending that every thing is fine?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Jan 9, 2022

On 1/8/2022 at 5:41 AM, Tweety said:

There is a study that Omicron is turning out as serious as delta but it's really a bit early in the Omicron to have some solid data.

Fox News main headline yesterday was about the children's hospitalizations mentioned by the justice, and I'm sure the main headline would be about the 700,000 million statement which is just crazy. But I can't find any back up to your statement.

Fox New's main story is about half (51%) of covid hospitalizations in liberal and mandate heavy NYC being due to other causes. Even though the same seems to be true in mandate-free Florida, it's better to spin it against their nemesis New York.

I wonder how many of those 49% hospitalized for covid are vaccinated vs. how many of the 51% in for other things and with asymptomatic covid are vaccinate. This would be a more significant finding to my curiosity.

I make a jump from that in that maybe mandates are working at keeping healthy from getting serious illness and that while covid admissions are high, it's not serious illness in 49% of them and that's good news, not a reasons to criticize mandates.

No mention that mandate free Florida has such high rates of covid that one in ten infections in the US are in Florida, the most free state in the US.

But no, the very infectious Omicron doesn't seem to care much about mandates.

Or lack of mandates for that matter. Florida's average is over 56,000 a day.

I think that if we just follow the ICU stats (which clearly favor the vaccinated) we will have a truer picture of the nature of Omicron. IMHO, this is the only relevant stat that is manageable to harvest.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 9, 2022

4 hours ago, Tweety said:

It is good news and I was mainly commenting how they are reporting. The headline now is " Almost half of reported NY COVID-19 hospitalizations are not due to COVID-19". True enough.

They made it their lead story earlier but it's disappeared, but the click bait was making it negative and something like "liberal mandate heavy NYC reports half of....." or something like that. It was as if "look at liberal mandate heavy NYC fear mongering and half the hospitalizations aren't even sick with covid".

Moot point, it was just a side comment and I was wondering why NYC was the headline most important story of the day when it's a phenomenon nationwide. Meh.

Truth is with all it's mandates about having vaccines to go here and there, masks, etc. Their rates are still quite high in both cases and hospitalizations because Omicron causes symptoms in the vaccinated, and is seen incidentally in people that are asymptomatic. Like I've said, they don't often lie about what they report, but they cherry pick and spin a bit and I find that annoying but it's my issue.

Here's the story. We'll have to disagree that it seems it is spun a certain way to fit Fox's agenda.

I think the story came out Friday, about NY specifically, because the governor released those figures on Friday. I'm not aware of similar stats from FL or anywhere else.