What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

toomuchbaloney · Nov 11, 2021

25 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Is is not understandable why parents would not want their children reading this?

Is that what is at issue here...a parent's right to establish rules or boundaries for their child?

chare · Nov 11, 2021

38 minutes ago, Cclm said:

3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How so? Is it different because you approve of this specific censorship?

Because comparing regulation of what children consume is a far strech to the Nazi book burnings. The nazis wanted to eradicate any book that they decided went against their ideology so no one can consume them. Parents just do not want their children consuming sexual explicit literature. Anyone else who wishes to read can.

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The article @toomuchbaloney sited goes beyond parental control of what their children read. Two members of the Spotsylvania County school board actually called for these books to be burned.

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Two board members, Courtland representative Rabih Abuismail and Livingston representative Kirk Twigg, said they would like to see the removed books burned.

“I think we should throw those books in a fire,” Abuismail said, and Twigg said he wants to “see the books before we burn them so we can identify within our community that we are eradicating this bad stuff.”

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Cclm, LPN · Nov 11, 2021

38 minutes ago, chare said:

The article @toomuchbaloney sited goes beyond parental control of what their children read. Two members of the Spotsylvania County school board actually called for these books to be burned.

Well those parents are stupid Bible thumper obviously.

Still not on par with Nazi book burnings.

40 minutes ago, chare said:

The article @toomuchbaloney sited goes beyond parental control of what their children read. Two members of the Spotsylvania County school board actually called for these books to be burned.

Why do they want to "see them first"? Maybe they secretly like it?

Cclm, LPN · Nov 11, 2021

48 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Is that what is at issue here...a parent's right to establish rules or boundaries for their child?

No. It's the fact that they have been left out of establishing rules and boundaries for their children. That's the problem. Straight up former Virginia governor that lost said parents should have a say. That's why he lost.

Would you want your children reading that?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Nov 11, 2021

I remember certain books were banned at my high school, and a couple of teachers made sure to point out what they were and that they were available at the public library. That was the first time I read Catcher in the Rye.

chare · Nov 11, 2021

34 minutes ago, Cclm said:

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Still not on par with Nazi book burnings.

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To clarify what you are saying. Nazi book burnings are bad. Members of the school board wanting to burn books they find offensive is okay? Where do you draw the line?

MunoRN, RN · Nov 11, 2021

On 11/10/2021 at 5:31 AM, Beerman said:

True. But it was heavily implied. You would think they might have mentioned that there was no basis for the claim if that was believed. But, it is the NYT, and they had turned on n him by then.

As we've discussed before, only about 25% of nursing home admissions were readmissions.

I'm stunned this is your source. It's not the only study, but probably the only one produced by and had key data omitted by the Cuomo administration.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/04/nyregion/cuomo-nursing-home-deaths.html?smid=tw-share

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cuomo-advisers-altered-report-on-covid-19-nursing-home-deaths-11614910855?mod=hp_lead_pos10

Again, how the data was compiled on Covid deaths in New York was revised to match the criteria used by every other state, and to avoid double counting some of the deaths, although I certainly don't disagree that the Cuomo administration didn't mind that the revised criteria didn't exaggerate nursing home deaths.

The clarification of existing policies issued by the NYS dept of health on March 25, 2020, which is misleadingly referred to as a "directive" from Cuomo himself, reminded facilities on the requirements for readmissions which are more stringent than those for new admissions. Although it also pointed out that facilities didn't have to accept even readmissions if they didn't have the ability to properly isolate patients if they were still in the window where they required isolation.

Facilities were not required to accept new patients if they couldn't do so safely or for any of the other various reasons why they might typically decline to accept a new patient.

On 11/10/2021 at 5:31 AM, Beerman said:

Perhaps this study, done by the organization that led to the NYDOH to finally release revised statistics, might be more accurate.

https://www.empirecenter.org/publications/admissions-were-correlated-with-higher-death-rates/

Their study didn't do any tracing of the introduction or spread of Covid in nursing homes. It did conclude though that "the March 25th memo was not the sole or primary cause of the heavy death toll in nursing homes", and also pointed out that they found correlations, but not causations for readmissions or new admissions. Specifically, that they didn't control for community spread variations throughout the state. In parts of the state where there was community spread of Covid, and therefore where it is more likely a new or returning resident have had Covid, it doesn't appear that new or returning residents were the source of new cases as opposed to community spread.

On 11/10/2021 at 5:31 AM, Beerman said:

Not rocket science, here. Have them accept nursing home residents. My local Ortho hospital stopped elective surgeries and took overflow from the attached acute care hospital.

The field hospitals were mostly if not totally empty. Not even elective surgery patients.

Neither the field hospitals nor the hospital ship were managed or controlled by the state, both were run by the federal government, and at the time neither were accepting patients who were previously covid positive or patients requiring long term acute care.

On 11/10/2021 at 5:31 AM, Beerman said:

He made that statement the day after. Just coincidence, I suppose. What do you suppose he was referring to?

Bernie Sanders was at least one.

He made it on the same day and at about the same time, it seems a bit unlikely he knew of the announcement when he made the statement. But I would assume the statement is just as it sounds, a general statement about Trump's xenophobia that was pretty well established by that point.

On 11/10/2021 at 5:31 AM, Beerman said:

We've gone around on all this a few times. Have the last word if it'll make you feel better. I'm done.

Okie-Dokie. I do appreciate that you responded though despite that the poster who brought it up made no attempt to defend their claim.

Cclm, LPN · Nov 11, 2021

1 hour ago, chare said:

To clarify what you are saying. Nazi book burnings are bad. Members of the school board wanting to burn books they find offensive is okay? Where do you draw the line?

Yeah. Burning books is always bad. And the flag too. Probably don't have an issue with that!

I'm sorry, are you saying that you are unable to tell the difference between parents and Nazis? Really? Pretty sure some Jewish people would take issue with that because they are probably in agreement with these parents or are parents themselves.

The Nazi regime was a disgusting straight from hell hate army. They also burnt Jewish people and tried to completely wipe out an entire group of people. Part of that was burning books and people in mass.

So these bible thumping prude parents make a statement most likely hyperbole in relation to burning these books are on the same level as Nazis? Seriously?

My question is where do you draw the line?

toomuchbaloney · Nov 11, 2021

22 minutes ago, Cclm said:

I'm sorry, are you saying that you are unable to tell the difference between parents and Nazis?

No. You were implying that one kind of book burning was bad and another kind was OK...you believe there's a difference, presumably.

chare · Nov 11, 2021

28 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Yeah. Burning books is always bad. And the flag too. Probably don't have an issue with that [emphasis added]!

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Are you suggesting you don't have a problem with flag burning? Or, that I don't? If the latter, what do you base this supposition on?

31 minutes ago, Cclm said:

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I'm sorry, are you saying that you are unable to tell the difference between parents and Nazis? Really? ...

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Of course not. And again, how did you come to this supposition?

33 minutes ago, Cclm said:

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minutes... Pretty sure some Jewish people would take issue with that because they are probably in agreement with these parents or are parents themselves.

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How so, exactly?

35 minutes ago, Cclm said:

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The Nazi regime was a disgusting straight from hell hate army. They also burnt Jewish people and tried to completely wipe out an entire group of people. Part of that was burning books and people in mass.

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Yes, thank you; I'm well aware of who the Nazis were, and what they did.

37 minutes ago, Cclm said:

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So these bible thumping prude parents make a statement most likely hyperbole in relation to burning these books are on the same level as Nazis? Seriously?

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You seemed to suggest that these members of the school board wanting to burn these books was acceptable. You then went in to claim that this was "not on par with Nazi book burnings."

Do you think that, if these members of the school board were to do this, it as acceptable? And if so, where would you draw the line?

Cclm, LPN · Nov 12, 2021

3 hours ago, chare said:

Are you suggesting you don't have a problem with flag burning? Or, that I don't? If the latter, what do you base this supposition on?

Of course not. And again, how did you come to this supposition?

How so, exactly?

Yes, thank you; I'm well aware of who the Nazis were, and what they did.

You seemed to suggest that these members of the school board wanting to burn these books was acceptable. You then went in to claim that this was "not on par with Nazi book burnings."

Do you think that, if these members of the school board were to do this, it as acceptable? And if so, where would you draw the line?

If my comments suggested that I was saying that burning books by parents was somehow okay, I apologize for not being clear.

Book burning is stupid. However my comments were made in response to TMB deliberate comparison of book burning by Nazis.

If people want to throw books they don't like into a fire place ,doesn't really matter to me. I do not take any joy in that's because it's stupid.

If individual evil people want to throw book and people into a oven that's very different thing. There isn't a comparison. I draw the line way before the point I just made. Including calling out inflammatory comments trying to associate parents with Nazis. . Hence my comment to TMB.

Cclm, LPN · Nov 12, 2021

As far as flag burning I am conflicted. One way I think it's incredible disrespectful and in another way I can't help to notice that the fact someone can burn the flag, shows the freedom they really have in doing so. A act they wouldn't have if it wasn't for the people who died for that flag.