I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
I recommend listening to the podcast Ultra. It recounts an episode in American history (1940s) when Nazi Germany sent agents to the US to spread propaganda and involved congressmen.
I know some will reject this suggestion because it is produced by Rachel Maddow, but try googling William Dudley Pelley and the Silver Shirts.
Wow! There's still so much to learn and some things we'll never know. But I did learn that yes the US initially didn't want to get involved and how they were leery with regards to what was actually happening to the Jewish population because they thought the information was exaggerated. At least that's what I've been taught. Did you know there was a Nazi rally in MSG and a large protest outside? People were trying to warn us but the police protected them. And did you catch the documentary with Wolf Blitzer and his father's interview (heartbreaking).
If anyone's interested it's called "Never Again: The US Holocaust Memorial Museum, A Tour with Wolf Blitzer"
Sorry, you seem to know more about Nazis than other posters here. I do not think Nazi strategy is common knowledge.
And I fail to see the humor about Ms. Maddow. She is a Rhodes Scholar and has a PhD in political science. While one may not agree with her politics, she is quite knowledgeable and a skilled writer and speaker.
I didn't know they were trying to make all countries follow their barbarity.
Even though we weren't alive when this happened it gives me chills. Such a level of grief that I could never fully comprehend nor explain. Human beings doing this to human beings, so cavalier, it's unnerving.
And they thought they could convince ALL other countries to follow them. smh
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2 hours ago, Weetywill said:
I missed this before. In regards to Stacey Abrams. Fist I should clarify that questioning and/or noting possible irregularities such as described above, is not "election denying".
I would define "election denial " as consistently claiming without proper investigation and/or when an investigation that is done without bias and prejudice has not found any evidence of fraud,collusion etc. So I would not consider what you described above as election denying.
However, questioning a process, irregularities and suspicious events whether it be at the voting stations or other is also not election denying. I consider it necessary.
So in relation to how some republicans have been deemed election deniers, I would say yes, she is an election denier. So is Hillary Clinton(2016) , Maxine Waters (2016). Even the Bush administration that successfully got a recount.
But personally, I do not think any are "election deniers". Eventhough people have been claiming stolen or fraudulent elections in almost every election, the term "election denier" is relatively new, doesn't have a defined definition.
I think people can think and say what they want. Even believe that an election was illegitimate. It doesn't make them a threat to democracy. Only a threat that people will think they are stupid, and they are.
Nope. I'm not going to buy that false equivalency. There is no liberal parallel to the election lies and denials from Trump and his MAGAphile sycophant candidates and politicians. What you claim to personally think about election denial on both sides is contrary to the known evidence and facts.
Let's be specific, from Dictionary.com Denier: a person who refuses to accept the existence, truth, or validity of something despite evidence or general support for it. You've heard of holocaust deniers or climate change deniers? Same idea.
Regardless of what you "think" about the threat of millions of Americans believing lies about the integrity of our election processes, recent history demonstrates that these conservative Americans confused and inflamed by lies will attack the congress, break laws by accessing voting equipment and subvert our very democracy because of those lies. Are you one of those people who believes that democracy is only lost in armed conflict?
From the intelligent.com report: It’s worth noting, many recipients do also say they are likely to use the money on essential purchases. The pluraily (75%) will put the money toward groceries, 66% rent/mortgage payments, 65% credit card debt, 62% transportation-related costs, 60% medical care/debt, and 40% childcare.
Has anyone surveyed what members of congress spent their PPP loans on?
Nope. I'm not going to buy that false equivalency. There is no liberal parallel to the election lies and denials from Trump and his MAGAphile sycophant candidates and politicians. What you claim to personally think about election denial on both sides is contrary to the known evidence and facts.
Let's be specific, from Dictionary.com Denier: a person who refuses to accept the existence, truth, or validity of something despite evidence or general support for it. You've heard of holocaust deniers or climate change deniers? Same idea.
Regardless of what you "think" about the threat of millions of Americans believing lies about the integrity of our election processes, recent history demonstrates that these conservative Americans confused and inflamed by lies will attack the congress, break laws by accessing voting equipment and subvert our very democracy because of those lies. Are you one of those people who believes that democracy is only lost in armed conflict?
Hmm to piggy back off what TMB said it’s not as simple as you say Weetywill that people will think they are stupid and so they pose no threat so we should kind of ignore it. People can be extremely impressionable and have the need to act out in non constructive ways hence the Jan 6 attack, the increase in hate crimes, school shootings etc. Unfortunately SOME, (that was for Chare), people seem to latch onto the negative words of these inflamers/ inciters more readily and this almost always lead to violence.
Nope. I'm not going to buy that false equivalency. There is no liberal parallel to the election lies and denials from Trump and his MAGAphile sycophant candidates and politicians. What you claim to personally think about election denial on both sides is contrary to the known evidence and facts.
Let's be specific, from Dictionary.com Denier: a person who refuses to accept the existence, truth, or validity of something despite evidence or general support for it. You've heard of holocaust deniers or climate change deniers? Same idea.
Regardless of what you "think" about the threat of millions of Americans believing lies about the integrity of our election processes, recent history demonstrates that these conservative Americans confused and inflamed by lies will attack the congress, break laws by accessing voting equipment and subvert our very democracy because of those lies. Are you one of those people who believes that democracy is only lost in armed conflict?
All fair and good points. You can't police or change how people think. You can't police or always change what people will say. Unless it becomes illegal to think an election was stolen then they are free to believe thing and say what they want.
Propaganda isn't illegal. Thoughts are not illegal. You can try and use your beliefs and thoughts to try and change those things. However insulting entire voter bases and associating them with F or pointing out similarities of Nz's, isn't going to do any good at all.
You've said so much here. Just so I understand, are you saying that you would rather NOT teach children about the atrocities that occurred from American slavery? And if so, your reasoning is because you don't want children to learn about how people were/are treated because of their skin color? is this correct?
Yes, we most certainly should teach all of it. Age appropriate, matter of fact without personal opinion and void of inflammatory political talking points.
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Just now, Weetywill said:
All fair and good points. You can't police or change how people think. You can't police or always change what people will say. Unless it becomes illegal to think an election was stolen then they are free to believe thing and say what they want.
Propaganda isn't illegal. Thoughts are not illegal. You can try and use your beliefs and thoughts to try and change those things. However insulting entire voter bases and associating them with F or pointing out similarities of Nz's, isn't going to do any good at all.
How do you learn from events if you never analyze them? It's actually extremely important for democratic societies to protect themselves by arming the population with knowledge about the dishonest tactics of the right wing extremists. It's important for citizens to speak against the indoctrination that would have their fellow countrymen undermining our democracy with lies.
Please don't be naive and think that these threats to our democracy will simply go away if we ignore them.
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Just now, Weetywill said:
Yes, we most certainly should teach all of it. Age appropriate, matter of fact without personal opinion and void of inflammatory political talking points.
The largest and loudest group of people bringing inflammatory political talking points to the school board meetings are the inflamed parents demanding that books be removed and language be changed. Did you miss that part?
You missed the point. I was addressing your post here, where you seemed to be accusing him of spreading false information.
Boy, did she. And in the very same post that she misrepresented what Walker said, based on what she "heard", she also commented, "There is harm is spreading false information/lies. People lose trust and refuse to follow laws. Some lies incite violence."
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Wow! There's still so much to learn and some things we'll never know. But I did learn that yes the US initially didn't want to get involved and how they were leery with regards to what was actually happening to the Jewish population because they thought the information was exaggerated. At least that's what I've been taught. Did you know there was a Nazi rally in MSG and a large protest outside? People were trying to warn us but the police protected them. And did you catch the documentary with Wolf Blitzer and his father's interview (heartbreaking).
If anyone's interested it's called "Never Again: The US Holocaust Memorial Museum, A Tour with Wolf Blitzer"