I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
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42 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
No I'm sorry. I do not believe that Republicans will turn the US government into a fascist country. Nor do I think the US will become Nazi Germany depending on who wins an actual democratic election. That's a complete radical thought.
Sure, experts and scollars can point out fascist tendencies of any government or political party but they can never fully negate their personal bias. Including democrats. One primary strategy of a fascist government is to disarm the population so that they cannot uprise against the ruling government. So should we conclude that the Democrat party wished to disarm the US population through gun control legislation because they want to overturn or democracy and make the US a fascist country?
Or should we say the democratic party wants to revert to Nazi Germany by labeling parts of the population as inherently bad or associated guilt by their skin color? Perhaps we should compare how the Democrat party (some, not all) allow open discrimination against one group of people based on skin color that would never be tolerated if the same discrimination were placed on a different skin color? Ever watch MSNBC? With their ongoing "white racism"? Sounds simular to Nazi Germany doesn't it?
Does that mean democrats want to overturn our democracy and rule a fascist government? Because they want to regulate fire arms or in some cases ban them entirely? Or passively allow discrimination against one group of the population? No! Of course not. That's stupid. Anything can be compared to fascism. But fascism doesn't survive in a democracy.
Sometimes you have to move past the "expert studies" and the bias fear mongering and go with what's in your heart. I think the majority of both parites just want to live in a free country but this divisive diarrhea pollutes us from seeing eachother as people, instead only political opponents.
I'm sorry baloney, if the Republicans win today, or in 2024,I do not think the US will become a fascist dictatorship. Nor if the democrats win.
Who ever wins will have won through a democratic election chosen by the voters. Democracy sometimes means that the side that wins may not bev the side you want. But the people have chosen. That's is democracy.
Nobody said that the USA will turn into Nazi Germany but the tools and tactics of those right wing authoritarians aren't much different from the tools and tactics of modern day right wing authoritarians. I've shown you what my thoughts and analysis is based upon... you have only shared your beliefs which seem to be in conflict with the available evidence.
So you think that scholars are just throwing wild accusations and proclamations into the wind to demonize American republican politics... just for giggles... or to elevate themselves? Why would you think that scholars would describe other type of government as something they are not? Is this some leftist conspiracy to paint today's Republicans as something they are not, in your view? Can you point to any media outlet that discusses that belief? Do you think that MSNBC is misrepresenting the views and stances of Republicans? Let's talk about those opinion shows then. We used to have a thread about the dishonesty of cable commentary I think.
Are you bringing regulation of guns into this discussion because you think that an armed society is more likely to be a stable democracy?
"Anything can be compared to fascism". What do you mean by that? It's important to compare the features of democracy to the features of fascism. Fascism and democracy are like oil and water, they are completely incompatible. So, what are some of the features of fascism... should we rely on gut feelings to decide or should we look to experts and historical fact?
Are you calling my remarks "divisive diarrhea"? If not, who and what specifically are you referencing? Don't you "think" that perpetuating lies and public insecurity about the 2020 election results or ongoing electoral processes are intentionally "divisive diarrhea" that directly undermines confidence in our democratic system?
Of course democrats won't turn the democracy into a fascist dictatorship. Fascism is a form of right-wing extremism and has nothing to do with liberalism. Maybe you didn't meant to imply that. Although your musings about Democrat Nazis makes me think that you believe it.
No, I don't watch MSNBC anymore than I watch Fox or CNN. I don't have cable television, I haven't paid for that commodity for a very long time. If you would like to direct me to a clip, I'd happily watch it and compare to other clips that I've consumed... we could have a discussion. "White racism" means what to you?
The SCOTUS did what was allowed by the court. If we the people don't like it, we vote. Which will be what happens today. What if the majority of the population agree that abortion should be determined by the state and not the federal level? And the vote reflects that. Isn't that democracy? If it's fascist then there wouldn't even be an option for the states to decide.
The last 3 Supreme Court justices were appointed by a president who lost the popular vote twice. That president was not elected democratically. They were approved by Senators who represent 43% of the population.
The majority of Americans support legal abortion. It doesn't matter that my state consistently has 2 Democratic Senators when states like North Dakota with far few voters have an equal say.
It’a nowhere near simple and I see you don’t have a problem with them overturning Roe V Wade and the outrage and distrust it has caused countless American women. You should be uneasy with this.
It’s easy to say gun control is being discussed while ACTUAL people are out here getting murdered. You should be uneasy with this.
I do agree with you regarding the campaign ads and election tactics but it’s all I’ve ever seen since I could remember. I’ve never seen them play nice.
and this great political divide you mention, the greatest you’ve ever seen. Did you ask yourself why that is? Why now?
I didn't mean to infer that the topic was simple only that my explanation was. I also did not say what I felt about the over turning Roe. What I intended to communicate was that by overturning Roe, the court did not violate the law. It was permitted to do so under the constitution. So it wasn't in line with a fascist government.
I am uneasy with many things. I think that overturning Roe was a bad idea. Also, States usually align with blue or red. People in blue states sometimes want and care about different things. So it also makes some sense to allow it to be up to the states on what the voters want in there particular state. Where as this is a good thing as not everyone has the same beliefs and values, serves to somewhat give everyone a little of what they want. Of course the majority of the vote determines that.
However simply moving to a state that is more in line with your political beliefs isn't possible for everyone. Some people cannot afford to make such a move. Where this creates the problem of abortion accessibility.
I do not consider overturning Roe as taking away women's rights. I see it makes it harder for women to get abortions but doesn't remove abortion outright. It also restricts abortion to some limits. Where as I think abortion should be rare and a well thought out choice, opposed to an everyday routine procedure, making it harder isn't completely terrible. Or putting restriction isn't either. But ultimately I think Roe should have remained. I do not agree with SCOTUS overturning it.
The democratic process doesn't promise everyone will be happy but it does allow the majority to vote and decide. So if the majority votes to restrict or limit abortion access in any given state, then that is the democratic process. Same with any other issue.
Yes. I agree with gun control. The point I was making is that it could be said that the democratic party is trying to disarm the population and that's fascist becausevthats what historical facism has done. This is in reference to the claim that if Republicans win, they will overturn our democracy and make the US a fascist country. Similarity with fascism can be found in any political party. If you spin it right. Just like almost everyone has a symptom of a mental illness but that does not diagnosis them with one. I was trying to point out the absurdity.
I think that social media is the main reason the division has escalated. It's caused a frenzy where even our main news outlets will omitt or over report certain things, especially near elections. Or false tags placed on individuals for whome they support. Ex: You voted Republican" That makes you a fascist and you want to overturn our democracy." Or, " you voted democrat? That means you want to allow people to kill their babies up until birth and you want to take away our guns...." instead of discussing the policies and reasons for voting the way you did. The voters attack the voters instead of the policies they don't agree with. Mostly because of what they see and hear on social media and the inability of the media to report the facts without the ideology or bias.
The last 3 Supreme Court justices were appointed by a president who lost the popular vote twice. That president was not elected democratically. They were approved by Senators who represent 43% of the population.
The majority of Americans support legal abortion. It doesn't matter that my state consistently has 2 Democratic Senators when states like North Dakota with far few voters have an equal say.
The 2016 election was won by Trump through the electoral college. Yes he lost the popular vote. However that may be fun to point out, it doesn't matter. He won that election just as legitimately as Biden won in 2020 and all the presidents in history that won the electorate college. Unless you are questioning the 2016 election result? Are you suggesting the election in 2016 was not a legitimate election? Isn't saying he didn't win through a democratic process almost the same as election denying? I'm sure that's not what you meant.
Every president selects or nominates their SCOTUS Justices. Good thing we can elect a different president to select their own through a democratic election.
I think the democrats lose allot of abortion support by not being clear as to limitations.
If the majority of Americans support abortion then this will be determined by the votes, not only at the state level but through congress, the senate and the WH. It is the democratic method. Not perfect but most certainly better than fascism.
Nobody said that the USA will turn into Nazi Germany but the tools and tactics of those right wing authoritarians aren't much different from the tools and tactics of modern day right wing authoritarians. I've shown you what my thoughts and analysis is based upon... you have only shared your beliefs which seem to be in conflict with the available evidence.
So you think that scholars are just throwing wild accusations and proclamations into the wind to demonize American republican politics... just for giggles... or to elevate themselves? Why would you think that scholars would describe other type of government as something they are not? Is this some leftist conspiracy to paint today's Republicans as something they are not, in your view? Can you point to any media outlet that discusses that belief? Do you think that MSNBC is misrepresenting the views and stances of Republicans? Let's talk about those opinion shows then. We used to have a thread about the dishonesty of cable commentary I think.
Are you bringing regulation of guns into this discussion because you think that an armed society is more likely to be a stable democracy?
"Anything can be compared to fascism". What do you mean by that? It's important to compare the features of democracy to the features of fascism. Fascism and democracy are like oil and water, they are completely incompatible. So, what are some of the features of fascism... should we rely on gut feelings to decide or should we look to experts and historical fact?
Are you calling my remarks "divisive diarrhea"? If not, who and what specifically are you referencing? Don't you "think" that perpetuating lies and public insecurity about the 2020 election results or ongoing electoral processes are intentionally "divisive diarrhea" that directly undermines confidence in our democratic system?
Of course democrats won't turn the democracy into a fascist dictatorship. Fascism is a form of right-wing extremism and has nothing to do with liberalism. Maybe you didn't meant to imply that. Although your musings about Democrat Nazis makes me think that you believe it.
No, I don't watch MSNBC anymore than I watch Fox or CNN. I don't have cable television, I haven't paid for that commodity for a very long time. If you would like to direct me to a clip, I'd happily watch it and compare to other clips that I've consumed... we could have a discussion. "White racism" means what to you?
I did not say your remarks specifically were divisive diarrhea. I do not make personal attacks. My apologies if I made it sound that way.
As I said, just like mental illness, just because you can point out a few symptoms, doesn't diagnose the person. Same idea with the fascist similarities.
The racism thing is very convoluted.I guess we could start by asking if you think that white people can experience racism? If you believe it has to do with power or something, I am not interested in discussing that with you. All people should be treated equally and judged by their character, not their skin color. Ever. Final argument.
MSMBC has long segments making generalized comments disparaging an entire group of people by the color of their skin. That's racist. On The View, the host likened white women to cockroaches. That's racist. Democrats have nothing to say. Even Republicans don't.
Do you really think if Republicans win, any election that they will turn the US government into a fascist state complete with Nazi ideology?
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a scare tactic to sway voters. Just saying, in my opinion.
Are you suggesting that no Republicans accepted the results of the 2020 presidential election?
Seems a rather tortured misinterpretation of what she wrote. She can obviously speak for herself, but I read it as referring to republicans who publicly bought into the big lie. “Some” =\= “all”.
I did not say your remarks specifically were divisive diarrhea. I do not make personal attacks. My apologies if I made it sound that way.
As I said, just like mental illness, just because you can point out a few symptoms, doesn't diagnose the person. Same idea with the fascist similarities.
The racism thing is very convoluted.I guess we could start by asking if you think that white people can experience racism? If you believe it has to do with power or something, I am not interested in discussing that with you. All people should be treated equally and judged by their character, not their skin color. Ever. Final argument.
MSMBC has long segments making generalized comments disparaging an entire group of people by the color of their skin. That's racist. On The View, the host likened white women to cockroaches. That's racist. Democrats have nothing to say. Even Republicans don't.
Do you really think if Republicans win, any election that they will turn the US government into a fascist state complete with Nazi ideology?
I'm sorry, but that sounds like a scare tactic to sway voters. Just saying, in my opinion.
“The racism thing” “convoluted “.. Let’s be clear here Blacks and other minorities did not create this problem.
Do I think white people can experience racism? I think white people can feel uncomfortable.
The foundation of racism stems from a history and for some a legacy of white supremacy and superiority, and the effects of racism are deeply rooted in minds bodies and souls.
Do you really think if Republicans win, any election that they will turn the US government into a fascist state complete with Nazi ideology?
This statement is very similar to what a past poster used to post almost constantly. They threw the terms "nazi" and "fascist" around without any impression that they had any understanding of what they meant.
@Weetywill, you seem to be oblivious to what those terms mean. It is almost as if you are regurgitating talking points. Especially when you throw in cr@p like white racism. Who the heck even watches the View?
Seems a rather tortured misinterpretation of what she wrote. She can obviously speak for herself, but I read it as referring to republicans who publicly bought into the big lie. “Some” =\= “all”.
A tortured misinterpretation? Perhaps. Here is her post, with the post she quoted:
2 hours ago, HiddenAngels said:
4 hours ago, Weetywill said:
Who ever wins will have won through a democratic election chosen by the voters. Democracy sometimes means that the side that wins may not bev the side you want. But the people have chosen. That's is democracy.
I coughed. If only some republicans felt this way when Joe won. Just saying.
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She doesn't appear to be making any distinction, at least as far as I read it. Perhaps @HiddenAngels will clarify her intent.
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Nobody said that the USA will turn into Nazi Germany but the tools and tactics of those right wing authoritarians aren't much different from the tools and tactics of modern day right wing authoritarians. I've shown you what my thoughts and analysis is based upon... you have only shared your beliefs which seem to be in conflict with the available evidence.
So you think that scholars are just throwing wild accusations and proclamations into the wind to demonize American republican politics... just for giggles... or to elevate themselves? Why would you think that scholars would describe other type of government as something they are not? Is this some leftist conspiracy to paint today's Republicans as something they are not, in your view? Can you point to any media outlet that discusses that belief? Do you think that MSNBC is misrepresenting the views and stances of Republicans? Let's talk about those opinion shows then. We used to have a thread about the dishonesty of cable commentary I think.
Are you bringing regulation of guns into this discussion because you think that an armed society is more likely to be a stable democracy?
"Anything can be compared to fascism". What do you mean by that? It's important to compare the features of democracy to the features of fascism. Fascism and democracy are like oil and water, they are completely incompatible. So, what are some of the features of fascism... should we rely on gut feelings to decide or should we look to experts and historical fact?
Are you calling my remarks "divisive diarrhea"? If not, who and what specifically are you referencing? Don't you "think" that perpetuating lies and public insecurity about the 2020 election results or ongoing electoral processes are intentionally "divisive diarrhea" that directly undermines confidence in our democratic system?
Of course democrats won't turn the democracy into a fascist dictatorship. Fascism is a form of right-wing extremism and has nothing to do with liberalism. Maybe you didn't meant to imply that. Although your musings about Democrat Nazis makes me think that you believe it.
No, I don't watch MSNBC anymore than I watch Fox or CNN. I don't have cable television, I haven't paid for that commodity for a very long time. If you would like to direct me to a clip, I'd happily watch it and compare to other clips that I've consumed... we could have a discussion. "White racism" means what to you?