I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
Now William, have you not watched the news at all this Summer? Are you not keeping up with the changes being made in regards to womens right. The gun crisis, We’re in a gun crisis. Yet with all these great minds at work there seems to be no end to the amount of violence being inflicted among innocent people babies hardworking individuals the elderly doctors grocery store workers church goers etc.
And I believe this is just the beginning of the changes that are being made or not being made depending on how it fits the agenda.
It seems to me the ideas you describe above are going through the process of a democratic institution. Put very simply, The abortion issue was overturned, the states get to decide. I see gun control/rights being discussed congress and the senate. I see political division and violence between both parties. Violence is violence regardless of the reason or idea behind it. News media purposely omitting or over reporting events according to their political leanings, especially during election time. That's election interference in itself.
Whether it be foreign meddling or a purposefully executed tactic by our political leaders, I see a political divide unlike any in recent history. Where political officials are ripped apart personally instead of their policies.
I see lies and propaganda shamelessly claimed as fact and both Republican and Democrat are involved. How much from each? Well that will be decided by what political parry you subscribe too, what media you watch etc.
However I do not think that we will turn into a fascist country if Republicans win today. In my opinion that is a devisive nasty lie right up there with "the election was stolen".
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1 minute ago, Weetywill said:
It seems to me the ideas you describe above are going through the process of a democratic institution. Put very simply, The abortion issue was overturned, the states get to decide. I see gun control/rights being discussed congress and the senate. I see political division and violence between both parties. Violence is violence regardless of the reason or idea behind it. News media purposely omitting or over reporting events according to their political leanings, especially during election time. That's election interference in itself.
Whether it be foreign meddling or a purposefully executed tactic by our political leaders, I see a political divide unlike any in recent history. Where political officials are ripped apart personally instead of their policies.
I see lies and propaganda shamelessly claimed as fact and both Republican and Democrat are involved. How much from each? Well that will be decided by what political parry you subscribe too, what media you watch etc.
However I do not think that we will turn into a fascist country if Republicans win today. In my opinion that is a devisive nasty lie right up there with "the election was stolen".
Sure... you see all of this evidence that the corruption and the lies and the talk of violence or civil war is equitable between the parties but it's not equitable across the political spectrum and that has been fleshed out with facts, data and credible reporting previously. Do you have some alternative facts on that topic?
You don't "think" that right wing extremism of the caliber seen among MAGAphile election deniers can lead to fascism in the USA, yet many historians and political science experts across the globe disagree with you.
...the advent of Donald Trump on to the political stage was the occasion for raising larger issues concerning Trump’s style of leadership.3 After Trump had retweeted an Italian saying made famous by the Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, this had led one American historian, an expert of Italian Fascism, to liken Trump, Berlusconi, and Mussolini under the category of “charismatic personalities,” all embodying a very similar “cult of power.” But as the Public Seminar authors emphasize, Trump in no way can be seen to measure up to Max Weber’s concept of charismatic leadership as developed in Weber’s famous talk, Politics as a Vocation (1919). As Weber argued, one prerequisite for charismatic leadership is responsibility, involving a duty to truthfulness, to speak the truth even when it is not pleasing. Also, the charismatic person must control a negative impulse that can easily tempt the political leader: vanity. So, at best, we are dealing with what American historian Daniel Boorstin would have called pseudo-charisma, a fake version of the real thing. If not charisma, what then can be taken to account for Trump’s public appeal? A more likely candidate would be the trickster, a Jungian archetype stalking through the human imagination and cultural memory in – as is his won't - many forms and guises. The trickster knows no bounds; these only exist for him to trespass, construct anew, and in the end to destroy. If he knows joy, it is the nihilist’s joy of destruction, or better, his infatuation with destruction.4 Or as Michael Sakamoto, in his study of Japanese Butoh dance theater, puts it: „Tricksters essentialize change. They are amoral and behave as incoherently as they please. They are not (or do not consider themselves) beholden to deities or any rules of consistent behavior, real circumstances being their only mandate for action. Almost by definition, they adopt different personae as situations call for them. “5 If this is beginning to typify Trump for us, it may also help us place Trump among kindred types.
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But Joffe does more. Not only does he point to similar trends and developments as they occur today, on both sides of the Atlantic, he also points to historical antecedents. Calling Trump a blond Mussolini, Joffe - and many other observers of current politics – recognize the features of fascism as first propagated by Mussolini in Italy. At the time, in the early twentieth century, Mussolini was among those, intellectuals and political activists, on the political left and right, who were searching for alternatives to liberal democracy. As they saw it, liberal democracy, as shaped under bourgeois auspices in the nineteenth century was a set of institutional arrangements for harnessing the political forces unleashed by enlightenment ideas of individual citizens forming the central actors in a democracy. As Mussolini and other critics saw it, the expression of the people’s will, through elections, political parties, and parliaments, was doomed to fail. It would never be more than a headcount of individual votes, and never transcend that level of hyper-individualism. It could never speak in the voice of the meaningful collectivities in which people lived their lives. Particularly with the advent of the general franchise, and the advent of “the masses,” as they were disparagingly called at the time, the political arena splintered, unable to cope with the inchoate jumble of voices. Of course, liberal democracy is much more than just a matter of single individuals casting their individual votes every so many years. That would be a caricature, but one used to great effect by the many enemies of democracy.
This isn't even the first time that American Republicans have favored authoritarian or fascist ideology. We should all be at least Wikipedia level familiar with that history, right?
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42 minutes ago, Weetywill said:
Well good thing you have free speech! Do you think Republicans will include speech when they start their fascist government? Maybe starting today?
We will need to wait and see how American authoritarians proceed once they feel immune from election outcomes. We can be certain that they will whine to their devoted but confused voters about getting "canceled" as they use that as an excuse to limit the free press and public commentary critical of the right wing extremism. Surely you know the history of fascist attempts to control speech. You don't think that speech was free in fascist Germany or Italy or is currently free in Russia do you?
At minimum we know that republican politicians are plannung to diminish women's rights to reproductive health privacy at the national level. They don't want liberally managed states to have an ability to protect women's privacy from the religious "Karens" in their regions.
At minimum we know that the majority conservative SCOTUS doesn't recognize established legal precedent and has mentioned other rights beyond abortion that they believe should be reconsidered in this hyperpartisan period of open conservative dishonesty.
Sure... you see all of this evidence that the corruption and the lies and the talk of violence or civil war is equitable between the parties but it's not equitable across the political spectrum and that has been fleshed out with facts, data and credible reporting previously. Do you have some alternative facts on that topic?
You don't "think" that right wing extremism of the caliber seen among MAGAphile election deniers can lead to fascism in the USA, yet many historians and political science experts across the globe disagree with you.
This isn't even the first time that American Republicans have favored authoritarian or fascist ideology. We should all be at least Wikipedia level familiar with that history, right?
No I'm sorry. I do not believe that Republicans will turn the US government into a fascist country. Nor do I think the US will become Nazi Germany depending on who wins an actual democratic election. That's a complete radical thought.
Sure, experts and scollars can point out fascist tendencies of any government or political party but they can never fully negate their personal bias. Including democrats. One primary strategy of a fascist government is to disarm the population so that they cannot uprise against the ruling government. So should we conclude that the Democrat party wished to disarm the US population through gun control legislation because they want to overturn or democracy and make the US a fascist country?
Or should we say the democratic party wants to revert to Nazi Germany by labeling parts of the population as inherently bad or associated guilt by their skin color? Perhaps we should compare how the Democrat party (some, not all) allow open discrimination against one group of people based on skin color that would never be tolerated if the same discrimination were placed on a different skin color? Ever watch MSNBC? With their ongoing "white racism"? Sounds simular to Nazi Germany doesn't it?
Does that mean democrats want to overturn our democracy and rule a fascist government? Because they want to regulate fire arms or in some cases ban them entirely? Or passively allow discrimination against one group of the population? No! Of course not. That's stupid. Anything can be compared to fascism. But fascism doesn't survive in a democracy.
Sometimes you have to move past the "expert studies" and the bias fear mongering and go with what's in your heart. I think the majority of both parites just want to live in a free country but this divisive diarrhea pollutes us from seeing eachother as people, instead only political opponents.
I'm sorry baloney, if the Republicans win today, or in 2024,I do not think the US will become a fascist dictatorship. Nor if the democrats win.
Who ever wins will have won through a democratic election chosen by the voters. Democracy sometimes means that the side that wins may not bev the side you want. But the people have chosen. That's is democracy.
We will need to wait and see how American authoritarians proceed once they feel immune from election outcomes. We can be certain that they will whine to their devoted but confused voters about getting "canceled" as they use that as an excuse to limit the free press and public commentary critical of the right wing extremism. Surely you know the history of fascist attempts to control speech. You don't think that speech was free in fascist Germany or Italy or is currently free in Russia do you?
At minimum we know that republican politicians are plannung to diminish women's rights to reproductive health privacy at the national level. They don't want liberally managed states to have an ability to protect women's privacy from the religious "Karens" in their regions.
At minimum we know that the majority conservative SCOTUS doesn't recognize established legal precedent and has mentioned other rights beyond abortion that they believe should be reconsidered in this hyperpartisan period of open conservative dishonesty.
So what's your solution? End the Republican party all together? Make the US a one party state? Now that sounds fascist!
Or allow our democratic process to happen today and all the future elections? It is the responsibilities of the party's to demonstrate to the population why they should vote for them. If the population votes the one side in and the other out, that's the failure or success of the party not the voter.
The SCOTUS did what was allowed by the court. If we the people don't like it, we vote. Which will be what happens today. What if the majority of the population agree that abortion should be determined by the state and not the federal level? And the vote reflects that. Isn't that democracy? If it's fascist then there wouldn't even be an option for the states to decide.
To say that the voters have been swayed or are confused is an insult to democracy in of itself. You do not have to like the outcome of a democratic election but you must accept it. That is democracy.
It seems to me the ideas you describe above are going through the process of a democratic institution. Put very simply, The abortion issue was overturned, the states get to decide. I see gun control/rights being discussed congress and the senate. I see political division and violence between both parties. Violence is violence regardless of the reason or idea behind it. News media purposely omitting or over reporting events according to their political leanings, especially during election time. That's election interference in itself.
Whether it be foreign meddling or a purposefully executed tactic by our political leaders, I see a political divide unlike any in recent history. Where political officials are ripped apart personally instead of their policies.
I see lies and propaganda shamelessly claimed as fact and both Republican and Democrat are involved. How much from each? Well that will be decided by what political parry you subscribe too, what media you watch etc.
However I do not think that we will turn into a fascist country if Republicans win today. In my opinion that is a devisive nasty lie right up there with "the election was stolen".
It’a nowhere near simple and I see you don’t have a problem with them overturning Roe V Wade and the outrage and distrust it has caused countless American women. You should be uneasy with this.
It’s easy to say gun control is being discussed while ACTUAL people are out here getting murdered. You should be uneasy with this.
I do agree with you regarding the campaign ads and election tactics but it’s all I’ve ever seen since I could remember. I’ve never seen them play nice.
and this great political divide you mention, the greatest you’ve ever seen. Did you ask yourself why that is? Why now?
Who ever wins will have won through a democratic election chosen by the voters. Democracy sometimes means that the side that wins may not bev the side you want. But the people have chosen. That's is democracy.
I coughed. If only some republicans felt this way when Joe won. Just saying.
It’s interesting the way you talk about examples of discrimination regarding skin color…if and, Ideas and such…. When people start talking about what if someone discriminated against this or what if someone discriminated against that just to prove a point. Come on. Minorities often face discrimination everyday so I don’t want to hear about no what ifs.
and even though you mention if it were a fascist government wouldn’t they try to disarm. No not necessarily. How much gun tooting shooting energy will one have … if they don’t have any energy
33 minutes ago, Rose_Queen said:
Well, someone in California may have fainted. I am not that someone ?
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